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Post Post #25 (ISO) » Wed Oct 14, 2015 10:52 am

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In post 24, Ankamius wrote:
In post 22, kuribo wrote:Anyone who legitimate thinks "town should never care what others think of them" probably gets mislynched a lot


I think that and I rarely get mislynched.

I care solely about why people are suspecting me; not about the actual read itself.

^ this

You should argue about you being scum but it's being overly cautious when you point out the scummy stuff you are doing. Scum can then easily point it out with no effort.
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Post Post #26 (ISO) » Wed Oct 14, 2015 11:30 am

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That's not what I'm getting at. There's a difference between "I am posting completely carefree" and "I am analyzing the wagon against me"
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Post Post #27 (ISO) » Wed Oct 14, 2015 11:30 am

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But they're not analyzing their wagon. They're finding reasons to scum read themselves almost.
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Post Post #28 (ISO) » Wed Oct 14, 2015 4:38 pm

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In post 18, Dwlee99 wrote:I'm having trouble explaining it.
To me it comes off as being way too self-concious of your posts (which only sum generally do) and attempting to excuse something scummy for "I know it's scummy so why would I do it as scum" which is just annoying WIFOM.


In post 23, GuyInFreezer wrote:I deploy some scum tactics even when I'm town.


Basically what Guy said, coupled with the fact that I'm an absurdly self-conscious player as any alignment. You have to meet people where they're at. I also joke pretty frequently as either alignment - albeit, the ones you're talking about are pretty cringeworthy - but as a general rule, Mafia is tense enough already, and I like laughing at myself anyway. The quickest way to go insane is to take yourself too seriously.

I think one possible reason for you getting lynched in those games was that most people tend to assume that sort of thing isn't to be taken seriously, however much they dislike it. By taking it seriously, you appear to be forcing a read to get a lynch - which is legitimately scummy. Also, one of the things I love about MS play is that there's a fair number of people who just stick with the "Find scum, lynch scum" policy I very strongly favor. Your's is closer to policy, if that makes sense.
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Post Post #29 (ISO) » Wed Oct 14, 2015 4:39 pm

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You sure seem to have a very particular instance in mind when you talk about this.
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Post Post #30 (ISO) » Wed Oct 14, 2015 5:16 pm

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The game is already over, Ythan.

It's one thing to do something scummy as town but another to point it out for no reason. I don't understand why pointing out scummy things of yourself helps anything.
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Post Post #31 (ISO) » Thu Oct 15, 2015 4:01 pm

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im mafia irl, ama
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Post Post #32 (ISO) » Thu Oct 15, 2015 5:09 pm

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Sometimes I consider engaging in a life of organized cri- oh this is not what this thread is about.

Self-referential meta is useless unless at least 2 individuals in a micro/mini or 4 in a large can verify your claims. And even then, it is shaky.
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Post Post #33 (ISO) » Fri Oct 16, 2015 4:02 am

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Meta about actual actions are just useless in general. They're either wrong or trust tells.
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Post Post #34 (ISO) » Fri Oct 16, 2015 9:11 am

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I think it would be helpful to distinguish here between 'scummy' and 'anti-town'.

behaviour indicates that a player is more likely to be scum. These are very difficult to identify, can vary a lot from player to player, and make up one of the main challenges of the game! A particular player might be more talkative, or less talkative, or more relaxed, or more robotic, or just have a je ne sais quois that tells you that they are scum.

I don't think you can complain about other players being too scummy. If you often think players are
scummy
when they are not scum, then your job is to get better at scum-hunting.

behaviour is generally agreed upon to make the game straight-up harder for town to win. Things like:
  • faking investigation results as town
  • unnecessary claims
  • refusal to engage with the game
  • spamming
  • no-lynching

Even here there might be a lot of be debate over the specifics, and scenarios where something anti-town becomes okay, but there is usually a certain amount of consensus, sometimes due to straightforward statistics (e.g. no-lynching on D1 generally makes the town less likely to win).

Because all the players in a game of mafia are either town or purporting to be town, for the most part they shouldn’t be doing things that are decidedly anti-town.

If your group of players are, then you can try to explain to them about why these things are bad play and why they make the game harder for town as a whole.
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Post Post #35 (ISO) » Sat Oct 17, 2015 2:31 am

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In post 22, kuribo wrote:Anyone who legitimate thinks "town should never care what others think of them" probably gets mislynched a lot

I do and I rarely get lynched
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Post Post #36 (ISO) » Sun Oct 18, 2015 8:04 am

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I think there's a scale between being an effective scumhunter and avoiding being lynched. As town, both of these are useful, so you have to move around on the scale as is appropriate to the game. (For example, if you're at L-1, or replace a player like L-1, you'd better go into full-on avoiding the lynch mode.) Typically this is because avoiding the lynch as town requires being as transparent as possible, whereas being transparent about what you're doing makes scumhunting harder.

So, townies should know when to care what other people think of them, but also disregard it in order to be able to get some better scumhunting in.
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Post Post #37 (ISO) » Sun Oct 18, 2015 9:43 am

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People say these examples with no votes on them.
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Post Post #38 (ISO) » Mon Oct 19, 2015 2:00 am

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Town shouldn't really play this way

But then I could be scum...
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Post Post #39 (ISO) » Mon Oct 19, 2015 9:14 am

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Wifom is love

Wifom is life


... Or is it?
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Post Post #40 (ISO) » Mon Oct 19, 2015 9:14 am

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In post 39, ZZZX wrote:Wifom is love

Wifom is life


... Or is it?

*beats you with a sledgehammer*
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Post Post #41 (ISO) » Mon Oct 19, 2015 9:15 am

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Oh trust me when I go into the mode..

Ud hate me so much. But its been a while.


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Post Post #42 (ISO) » Mon Oct 19, 2015 9:17 am

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In post 35, Wisdom wrote:
In post 22, kuribo wrote:Anyone who legitimate thinks "town should never care what others think of them" probably gets mislynched a lot

I do and I rarely get lynched


I do think about it, but I think I have a better handle on what makes me harder to lynch than some. Being very open & transparent with my thoughts usually gets the job done all by itself. I will take some people to task for misreading my play on occasion, and for bad reads/plays, but my primary method is just plain-jane scumhunting.
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Post Post #43 (ISO) » Thu Oct 22, 2015 12:11 pm

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In post 35, Wisdom wrote:
In post 22, kuribo wrote:Anyone who legitimate thinks "town should never care what others think of them" probably gets mislynched a lot

I do and I rarely get lynched

Only because I don't play here anymore.

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