Confessional on Fallacies

[Firebringer]

So I notice of course during the course of mafia people are going to commit fallacies when arguing with others. As much as we all try to avoid doing it, we will eventually commit one or two.

Personally I find myself committing a Reverse Bandwagon fallacy when it comes to scumhunting because I find town too inept to actually get a wagon on scum usually so I town read a person who is getting wagoned on.

My other is probably Confirmation Bias, which I try to limit. I will have preconceived notion on a player then when i ISO them, as much as I try to be open about my ideas on them, I am hunting for specific perspective on them.

In mafia in general I find the biggest offenses are likely Confirmation Bias and Hasty Generalizations.

How about you guys?

[MarioManiac4]

My entire playstyle is one huge fallacy.

[Taly]

Tbh, mine is probably waffling. :/

I connect so many dots to things that I have a hard time deciphering what's scum, and what's town. X_X So people tend to see me on both town/scum wagons/lynches, especially when I'm town.

But this usually only happens in extremely active games, specifically if I've been in 1v1s with people and nobody explains themselves to me at all.

Though, nobody can say that I don't townhunt and scumhunt.

Even though I try my hardest not to do this - especially as town, I sometimes tunnel.... with a slight persecution complex type mindset. heheh...

heheh....

....I really need to roll scum more.

[Psyche]

ingame arguments on MS are rarely fallacy-free

[Ankamius]

I death tunnel absurdly hard. Anyone who's seen me at my most active can tell what I mean.

[hi im Yakko]

So I notice of course during the course of mafia people are going to commit fallacies when arguing with others. As much as we all try to avoid doing it, we will eventually commit one or two.

Personally I find myself committing a Reverse Bandwagon fallacy when it comes to scumhunting because I find town too inept to actually get a wagon on scum usually so I town read a person who is getting wagoned on.

My other is probably Confirmation Bias, which I try to limit. I will have preconceived notion on a player then when i ISO them, as much as I try to be open about my ideas on them, I am hunting for specific perspective on them.

In mafia in general I find the biggest offenses are likely Confirmation Bias and Hasty Generalizations.

How about you guys?

Certainly the argument that he is town because he[some player] is being wagoned is at best a poor explanation for a gut read based off of experience.

I think you should focus on hyper logical actions instead of arguments in a post in conjuction with actions in the context of a game. How does it [arguments and actions] push his [some players] agenda? And is that agenda protown? I hear people post very "town" like sometimes. Because of verbosity and descriptive nature in conjunction with theory to form questions. To that I say ew.

I think confirmation bias was invented by a scum aligned player (I know I know bubuh science). Nothing technically wrong with confirmation bias; of course it is all post facto of whether you are guilty of it. I usually ignore confirmation bias arguments. No need to bring cognitive sciences explanationnof skewed stats into this [mafia game].

In an imperfect and incomplete game type hasty generalization is impossible? Inb4 context is relevant.

[AlwaysInnocent]

What's wrong with improving your game? Sure, sometimes people take the game too seriously, but what's wrong with taking these things into account to play just a little better?

Understanding confirmation bias can help you improve your game. Confirmation bias is something that we all suffer from. Becoming conscious of it is very educational, IMO. Also, just because scientific research is done on confirmation bias, does not mean that we need to bring much science in the game when it is used.

[hi im Yakko]

Did I misread the op? He was asking us to confess our fallacies. Not that he wanted to get better. I was just commenting on the fallacies and how they're meh.

Underetanding confbias is just another thing to worry about when playing as it tantamounts to if you're right then it's all knof you're wrong you're wrong. What benefit is derived from confbias? It is all a priori speculation. Especially when thrown out there. It is not convincing it is not helpful it is just fluff.

[Tere]

It just reads as buzzword bingo to me.

[RadiantCowbells]

Personally I find myself committing a Reverse Bandwagon fallacy when it comes to scumhunting because I find town too inept to actually get a wagon on scum usually so I town read a person who is getting wagoned on.

This is my shit right here.

If the entire playerbase scumreads someone I HAVE to townread them.

[SleepyKrew]

[Plotinus]

Personally I find myself committing a Reverse Bandwagon fallacy when it comes to scumhunting because I find town too inept to actually get a wagon on scum usually so I town read a person who is getting wagoned on.

This is my shit right here.

If the entire playerbase scumreads someone I HAVE to townread them.

I think this is actually true, though. If every single person in the town is scumreading somebody, it means that scum is happy with the lynch. Bussing exists but if every single person agrees someone is obvscum they are probably just a town VI.

[Taly]

Personally I find myself committing a Reverse Bandwagon fallacy when it comes to scumhunting because I find town too inept to actually get a wagon on scum usually so I town read a person who is getting wagoned on.

This is my shit right here.

If the entire playerbase scumreads someone I HAVE to townread them.

And this is usually how SOMEONE townreads me early-game as town...

Which is often a fallacy itself.

[hiplop]

Personally I find myself committing a Reverse Bandwagon fallacy when it comes to scumhunting because I find town too inept to actually get a wagon on scum usually so I town read a person who is getting wagoned on.

This is my shit right here.

If the entire playerbase scumreads someone I HAVE to townread them.

I think this is actually true, though. If every single person in the town is scumreading somebody, it means that scum is happy with the lynch. Bussing exists but if every single person agrees someone is obvscum they are probably just a town VI.

ugh I hate this logic when I have caught scum in my eyes. Lazy excuse often

[Cheery Dog]

Personally I find myself committing a Reverse Bandwagon fallacy when it comes to scumhunting because I find town too inept to actually get a wagon on scum usually so I town read a person who is getting wagoned on.

This is my shit right here.

If the entire playerbase scumreads someone I HAVE to townread them.

Well you're not going to scumread yourself now are you.

[Ythan]

Sometimes I try to deal with other players like people.

[Majiffy]

I like ad hom.

I like ad hom a lot.

[RadiantCowbells]

Well you're not going to scumread yourself now are you.

Pfft.

[pieguyn]

I have a hazardous tendency to believe really strongly someone is town for reasons that aren't actually good, and be entirely unable to reverse it no matter how many times I look at it again.

for added context, I usually never let lynches on my town reads happen. combine this with the above and you get a sequence of events that has singlehandedly lost at least 2 games in recent memory.

[DiamondSentinel]

To even commit fallacies you have to know what's going on

In all seriousness, though, my biggest one is "Nothing can ever go 'right' unless the mafia allow it to happen". If, for any reason, a scum is lynched without a PR having confirmed them as scum, then mafia wants them to die. As such, I don't read anyone who pushes a scum lynch on days 1-3 as strictly town.

[PokerFace]

Is it a fallacy when you condemn one player for doing something you yourself have done? Cause I have done that before

Since the thread also appears to be about peoples faults, I rarely bus. I have done it in face to face and on irc but I don't think I have actually done it on mafiascum and I have been here 8+ years. I probably need to change that

[Majiffy]

I almost always bus. In fact, I am usually the one leading the charge.

[DiamondSentinel]

Is it a fallacy when you condemn one player for doing something you yourself have done? Cause I have done that before

Since the thread also appears to be about peoples faults, I rarely bus. I have done it in face to face and on irc but I don't think I have actually done it on mafiascum and I have been here 8+ years. I probably need to change that

It's not strictly a fallacy, but saying that someone is wrong because they themselves do it IS a fallacy, and one that annoys me to no end.

[Iecerint]

Personally I find myself committing a Reverse Bandwagon fallacy when it comes to scumhunting because I find town too inept to actually get a wagon on scum usually so I town read a person who is getting wagoned on.

This is my shit right here.

If the entire playerbase scumreads someone I HAVE to townread them.

I think this is actually true, though. If every single person in the town is scumreading somebody, it means that scum is happy with the lynch. Bussing exists but if every single person agrees someone is obvscum they are probably just a town VI.

[Espeonage]

Personally I find myself committing a Reverse Bandwagon fallacy when it comes to scumhunting because I find town too inept to actually get a wagon on scum usually so I town read a person who is getting wagoned on.

This is my shit right here.

If the entire playerbase scumreads someone I HAVE to townread them.

I think this is actually true, though. If every single person in the town is scumreading somebody, it means that scum is happy with the lynch. Bussing exists but if every single person agrees someone is obvscum they are probably just a town VI.

But this is where I bus like a champion.