Questioning your townreads

[BNL]

Is it a good idea in general to say why someone you're townreading could be scum?

I think its not, as it is self-contradictory: Why are you suddenly scumreading the person you were townreading?

But my experience says otherwise. I had 3 town games on this site, and I lost all of them, because of an obvtown who was actually scum.

[Wisdom]

It's a good idea to convey exactly what you have in your mind, no matter how contradicting or scummy or whatever else you might think it is. Just be honest.

[RadiantCowbells]

Is it a good idea in general to say why someone you're townreading could be scum?

I think its not, as it is self-contradictory: Why are you suddenly scumreading the person you were townreading?

But my experience says otherwise. I had 3 town games on this site, and I lost all of them, because of an obvtown who was actually scum.

Two, in the game with myself and FA.

[Espeonage]

When games get to closing is when your scrutiny should get stronger.

I am not in many Lylo situations. But every time I go in to a lylo as town I always vote for my biggest townread. I have only been wrong when I strayed from this. That is that every time I was in lylo my strongest townread was the mafia.

There is no point in throwing away reads due to paranoia. But as games get closer to the end you have to question why you and your townreads are both alive.

[Equinox]

I think its not, as it is self-contradictory: Why are you suddenly scumreading the person you were townreading?

It doesn't have to be a scum read nor does it have to be sudden. You can read someone as town but have doubts about some of the things that they've said or done. As Espeonage said, those doubts become increasingly significant as the game goes on. If you voice those doubts and then you get killed in the night, then something is definitely up!

[Kublai Khan]

A "read" is really just an informed guess. You should regularly double-guess it. (Generally speaking at least once every Day Phase).

[Antihero]

I had 3 town games on this site, and I lost all of them, because of an obvtown who was actually scum.

i think now is a good time to re-evaluate what you think "obvtown" is.

[BNL]

I had 3 town games on this site, and I lost all of them, because of an obvtown who was actually scum.

i think now is a good time to re-evaluate what you think "obvtown" is.

Actually, the "obvtown" was the general agreement among everyone, not who I thought was obvtown (at least some of the times)

[Ankamius]

I've had a recent game where the set-up heavily indicated someone was town, but my gut was suggesting the opposite. I went with the set-up read.

Guess what alignment they actually were.

[AngryPidgeon]

Constantly reguessing my reads to the point of driving people, including myself, insane is the strongest town tell in the book for me.

[callforjudgement]

That sounds like a pretty easy townread to fake as scum, though. (Thus, you should do it more often.)

[VysePresident]

Is it a good idea in general to say why someone you're townreading could be scum?

I think its not, as it is self-contradictory: Why are you suddenly scumreading the person you were townreading?

But my experience says otherwise. I had 3 town games on this site, and I lost all of them, because of an obvtown who was actually scum.

My playstyle, when I'm at my best, is to document everything. (usually in small bursts, because it's hard and time consuming)

Ideally, I keep open to the possibilities, within reason. I may change my style to 'bully' people if I have a really strong read and want them to direct their attention elsewhere.

When I'm being slightly lazy, or forcing myself to act confident, it's very easy for scum to slip past me though.

[Performer]

It's a good idea to convey exactly what you have in your mind, no matter how contradicting or scummy or whatever else you might think it is. Just be honest.

I can concur with this. On the other hand, it really depends. Many if not most, or even all the time in my town games, I will have at least one secret strategy I hold under covers. As in, I won't tell ANYONE no matter what.

For example, making posts look like I"m soft claiming PR to scum and playing dumb to town. Fortunately I'm consistent with my strategies so people can't truly pick apart whether I'm lying or being honest LOL. It's so fun to see how things unfold after a secret strategy.

So it really depends on how you question your townreads. Sometimes it's good , sometimes it's bad. Sometime I will question my townreads as days draw on and they're still alive...but whenever you question your townread and they actually are town, you better back that up with legit engagement. Otherwise you'll find yourself wagoned or even mislynched.

[Zachrulez]

Question everything in a mafia game.

[Firebringer]

Question everything in a mafia game.

Why?

[Zachrulez]

Because there will be times when you are wrong and the game hinges on you realizing it.

[Ankamius]

You should question things based on how your assumptions and conclusions correlate to facts. If your early reads are correct, then you can get away with 'tunneling' to an extent, but you should do a full reset the moment a nightkill goes on a player you would never expect to be night killed, for example.

Being open with this type of thinking is never a bad idea, as it gives people an opportunity to convince you to their own thoughts (which is readable) and it makes keeping you alive more dangerous to scum.

[Firebringer]

Because there will be times when you are wrong and the game hinges on you realizing it.

You apparently did not get what I was doing there.

So I will say it again with quotes:

"Why?"

[kuribo]

"obvtown" and "conftown" are thrown around way too freely these days

TRUST NO ONE

SUSPECT EVERYONE

THE ONLY CONFIRMED TOWN ARE THE DEAD

[camntsuki]

"obvtown" and "conftown" are thrown around way too freely these days

TRUST NO ONE

SUSPECT EVERYONE

THE ONLY CONFIRMED TOWN ARE THE DEAD

What about all your mason buddies?

[Ranmaru]

Don't ever ask me why I'm questioning a town read. Just because I town read you doesn't mean I'll keep you as a town read forever. It's not black and white, a player can't be expected to have their reads remain static. If I change a town read to null or scum, then consider my motivation (alongside my whole play) in doing so.

[Cheery Dog]

"obvtown" and "conftown" are thrown around way too freely these days

TRUST NO ONE

SUSPECT EVERYONE

THE ONLY CONFIRMED TOWN ARE THE DEAD

Is that why I keep lynching myself?