Question about ICs in Newbies

PhantomCobalt · Post Post #0 (ISO) » Tue Jan 12, 2016 11:16 am

I was just wondering. In a 2 town vs. 1 mafia situation in a mafia game, and the 1 mafia is the IC. Has the IC being lynched because mafia would target town IC earlier in the game ever happened? This question came from a situation on my homesite. There was the "Aeronaeous Paradox" where people would say Aeronaeous had to be scum because if town would already be NKed.

Ythan · Post Post #1 (ISO) » Tue Jan 12, 2016 11:44 am

What is the situation on your home site?

Zachrulez · Post Post #2 (ISO) » Tue Jan 12, 2016 12:01 pm

In post 0, PhantomCobalt wrote:I was just wondering. In a 2 town vs. 1 mafia situation in a mafia game, and the 1 mafia is the IC. Has the IC being lynched because mafia would target town IC earlier in the game ever happened? This question came from a situation on my homesite. There was the "Aeronaeous Paradox" where people would say Aeronaeous had to be scum because if town would already be NKed.

It's actually quite common for an IC to survive deep into a newbie game as either alignment, at least on MS.

PhantomCobalt · Post Post #3 (ISO) » Tue Jan 12, 2016 2:27 pm

In post 1, Ythan wrote:What is the situation on your home site?

There's a player that brought the game to the forum (it's a Minecraft forum) and he's had a lot of mafia experience. In the first few games on the site, they would lynch him if he lived too long because they thought scum would see him as a threat because he was the only person that could properly scumhunt back then.

InflatablePie · Post Post #4 (ISO) » Tue Jan 12, 2016 3:47 pm

"X is alive on Day [#] so they must be scum" is a fairly common argument that's brought up when playing with more prolific players.

Ythan · Post Post #5 (ISO) » Tue Jan 12, 2016 4:15 pm

Faced this as scum IC in my last newbie game. Seen it other times too. Seems fairly common.

Wanted to make sure you weren't asking for advice on an ongoing game.

SilverWolf · Post Post #6 (ISO) » Wed Jan 13, 2016 2:51 am

A lot of times town IC's will be targeted by doc if there is one in a game so scum doesn't go for them right away.

Happened to me. Last newbie I IC'd, had doc, cop, and scum RBer all target me N1.

So even as scum, this gives ICs some leeway there.

Plotinus · Post Post #7 (ISO) » Wed Jan 13, 2016 4:04 am

the IC is also really likely to be investigated by the cop/jailkeeper/tracker/etc, so if they're scum, you'll probably find out sooner or later.

I recently made it to 3p LYLO as an innocent child. It was embarrassing. (I mention this because the acronym standing for the two different concepts is pretty apt; my playstyle changes in similar ways in both roles.)

PokerFace · Post Post #8 (ISO) » Wed Jan 13, 2016 5:49 am

I noticed a bizarre inverse of this issue once. I was playing face to face with a very good friend of mine and we are both very good at mafia. Him and I were last 2 alive along with another player who was relatively a newbie. My friend and I realized "Wait if you were scum you would have killed me night 1" since we knew each other so well and realized how much of a threat we posed to each other. Because both of us were alive we deduced the newbie was the scum and the newbie was.

PhantomCobalt · Post Post #9 (ISO) » Wed Jan 13, 2016 12:32 pm

In post 8, PokerFace wrote:I noticed a bizarre inverse of this issue once. I was playing face to face with a very good friend of mine and we are both very good at mafia. Him and I were last 2 alive along with another player who was relatively a newbie. My friend and I realized "Wait if you were scum you would have killed me night 1" since we knew each other so well and realized how much of a threat we posed to each other. Because both of us were alive we deduced the newbie was the scum and the newbie was.

Interesting.

Espeonage · Post Post #10 (ISO) » Wed Jan 13, 2016 7:39 pm

In my real life friends that play mafia. There is a group of a few of us that are all very good at catching other people late, but all are bad at reading each other. So if one of us is scum we generally leave the others alive which makes too many good players alive for the logic to stick.

callforjudgement · Post Post #11 (ISO) » Sat Jan 23, 2016 11:06 am

My standard method to counter this sort of thing as scum is to leave two competent players alive so that the town can't tell which of them scum is trying to avoid killing. As scum in a mini or micro with relatively normal lynch mechanics, I'd typically be looking to go into a 3:2 endgame with one townie who's either confirmed or widely believed town, two unconfirmed townies, and two scum (and then make up my mind about whether to bus or to go for the misvote+quickhammer over the course of the lylo).