Why is scum hider not normal?

BROseidon · Post Post #150 (ISO) » Sat Mar 05, 2016 4:31 pm

Oh, 3rd parties shouldn't have the same chance of winning.

And SK should have a much lower chance than either town or mafia.

BROseidon · Post Post #151 (ISO) » Sat Mar 05, 2016 4:31 pm

In post 149, kuribo wrote:
In post 146, BROseidon wrote:Not really?

Scum shooting into a doctor shot isn't nearly as meaningful.

So failing to remove a player from the game when scum has every expectation that the player will be removed isn't meaningful?

It's not as meaningful as an inno on a GF. It doesn't swing the game nearly as hard.

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #152 (ISO) » Sat Mar 05, 2016 4:34 pm

yawn.

huge difference between someone not dying and someone being told a player is innocent when they're not.

zMuffinMan · Post Post #153 (ISO) » Sat Mar 05, 2016 4:43 pm

In post 150, BROseidon wrote:Oh, 3rd parties shouldn't have the same chance of winning.

And SK should have a much lower chance than either town or mafia.

... how does this even make sense on any level? :/

what should a third party's chance of winning be, then?

kuribo · Post Post #154 (ISO) » Sat Mar 05, 2016 4:46 pm

In post 152, RadiantCowbells wrote:huge difference between someone not dying and someone being told a player is innocent when they're not.

A good mod won't word it that way anyway.

"Once per night you may attempt to discern the alignment of another player"

"Your investigations indicates that they are innocent."

If you're flat out saying "XXXX is innocent," you're just asking for them to call bullshit on you if it's a Godfather.

kuribo · Post Post #155 (ISO) » Sat Mar 05, 2016 4:46 pm

In post 151, BROseidon wrote:It's not as meaningful as an inno on a GF. It doesn't swing the game nearly as hard.

Really? One kill can make a WAY bigger difference than an inno on a godfather.

BROseidon · Post Post #156 (ISO) » Sat Mar 05, 2016 4:48 pm

In post 155, kuribo wrote:
In post 151, BROseidon wrote:It's not as meaningful as an inno on a GF. It doesn't swing the game nearly as hard.

Really? One kill can make a WAY bigger difference than an inno on a godfather.

Not without it heavily involving player skill.

kuribo · Post Post #157 (ISO) » Sat Mar 05, 2016 6:02 pm

In post 156, BROseidon wrote:Not without it heavily involving player skill.

In other words, missing a kill is more damaging in reality than it is on paper.

Psychology. Not math.

GG, nextmap.

BROseidon · Post Post #158 (ISO) » Sat Mar 05, 2016 6:06 pm

In post 157, kuribo wrote:
In post 156, BROseidon wrote:Not without it heavily involving player skill.

In other words, missing a kill is more damaging in reality than it is on paper.

Psychology. Not math.

GG, nextmap.

No, it can be.

It can also be less damaging.

BROseidon · Post Post #159 (ISO) » Sat Mar 05, 2016 6:06 pm

Go read Teen Wolf Season 1 mafia where town stopping a kill N1 almost lost them the game.

callforjudgement · Post Post #160 (ISO) » Sat Mar 05, 2016 11:20 pm

A game with third parties in is very difficult to balance, especially if small. I don't think it's impossible to design a good three-faction setup, but it is much harder than designing a good two-faction setup.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #161 (ISO) » Sun Mar 06, 2016 8:35 am

In post 150, BROseidon wrote:Oh, 3rd parties shouldn't have the same chance of winning.

And SK should have a much lower chance than either town or mafia.

I suggest 0%.

BROseidon · Post Post #162 (ISO) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 5:15 am

In post 161, AlwaysInnocent wrote:
In post 150, BROseidon wrote:Oh, 3rd parties shouldn't have the same chance of winning.

And SK should have a much lower chance than either town or mafia.
I suggest 0%.

I think like 10% seems pretty fair, tbh. Enough for someone to want to take on the challenge, not high enough that they make everyone lose all the time.

Zulfy · Post Post #163 (ISO) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 9:14 am

If it is balanced SK doesnt win all the time.