New Role Suggestion: Shield

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New Role Suggestion: Shield

Post Post #0 (ISO) » Fri Sep 30, 2016 8:53 am

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Alignment: Any
Role Type: Protective
Choice: Night

A Shield protects their target from all non-killing roles and is killed in place of the target if the target is selected to be killed.

If protecting a player, the Shield is untargetable for any roles except tracker and roleblocker (roleblocker stops the Shield from leaving home; tracker follows the Shield from home).

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This role would have good utility for mafia as well as town.
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Post Post #1 (ISO) » Fri Sep 30, 2016 8:54 am

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waaaaait a minute

this seems familiar
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Post Post #2 (ISO) » Fri Sep 30, 2016 9:18 am

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In post 1, Accountant wrote:waaaaait a minute

this seems familiar
In post 16, chamber wrote:Bodyguard has already been established to work one way. You should leave it alone or you will confuse players. If you want a bodyguard that also rolestops them, just make that new role.
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Post Post #3 (ISO) » Fri Sep 30, 2016 9:20 am

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I think it should be visible to watcher as well, if it's a town power.
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Post Post #4 (ISO) » Fri Sep 30, 2016 9:21 am

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In post 3, Gamma Emerald wrote:I think it should be visible to watcher as well, if it's a town power.
But it's not. It's alignment neutral.

It's protecting the person being watched.
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Post Post #5 (ISO) » Fri Sep 30, 2016 9:23 am

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Yeah, but watcher is non-malicious. Any malicious roles (roleblocker, bus driver, scum PRs) should be blocked if it is town-sided.
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Post Post #6 (ISO) » Fri Sep 30, 2016 9:24 am

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In post 5, Gamma Emerald wrote:Yeah, but watcher is non-malicious. Any malicious roles (roleblocker, bus driver, scum PRs) should be blocked if it is town-sided.
Doesn't matter. Pretty sure you can't have different behavior for the same role based on the alignment of the player with that role.
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Post Post #7 (ISO) » Fri Sep 30, 2016 9:25 am

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Eh, I guess it would be too gimmicky.
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Post Post #8 (ISO) » Fri Sep 30, 2016 9:31 am

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In post 5, Gamma Emerald wrote:Yeah, but watcher is non-malicious. Any malicious roles (roleblocker, bus driver, scum PRs) should be blocked if it is town-sided.
I think the definition of "malicious" is too confusing and kind of arbitrary here anyway.
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Post Post #9 (ISO) » Fri Sep 30, 2016 9:33 am

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In post 7, Gamma Emerald wrote:Eh, I guess it would be too gimmicky.
Aside from that, a role as powerful as Shield would need to have some negative utility to offset it, or it's just OP.
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Post Post #10 (ISO) » Fri Sep 30, 2016 9:39 am

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I actually think this is a good niche choice for certain setups.
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Post Post #11 (ISO) » Fri Sep 30, 2016 9:43 am

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Another idea, this is something I've seen before.
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Post Post #12 (ISO) » Fri Sep 30, 2016 9:45 am

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In post 11, Gamma Emerald wrote:Another idea, this is something I've seen before.
Taxi Driver: Commutes the user and one other player.
Make your own thread. :P
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Post Post #13 (ISO) » Fri Sep 30, 2016 12:52 pm

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Personally, I have a bias towards the name shield for a role, where it's a (2x-)doctor variant.
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Post Post #14 (ISO) » Fri Sep 30, 2016 12:55 pm

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In post 13, mastin2 wrote:Personally, I have a bias towards the name shield for a role, where it's a (2x-)doctor variant.
Yeah, but... that could just be referred to as a modified doctor, couldn't it?

The mechanics I'm talking about include quasi-commuter, bodyguard, and rolestopper.

Kinda hard to call that a modified bodyguard.
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Post Post #15 (ISO) » Fri Sep 30, 2016 1:45 pm

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What if their target is a PGO and gets targeted for a strongman scum kill?


Do all three die?

I.e.: strongman kill goes around shield, but both are now targeting the PGO. PGO dies because the kill isn't prevented, and both die targeting the PGO.
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Post Post #16 (ISO) » Fri Sep 30, 2016 1:54 pm

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In post 15, kuribo wrote:What if their target is a PGO and gets targeted for a strongman scum kill?


Do all three die?

I.e.: strongman kill goes around shield, but both are now targeting the PGO. PGO dies because the kill isn't prevented, and both die targeting the PGO.
Good point.

PGO takes precedence over Shield, but that's more of a NAR thing.
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Post Post #17 (ISO) » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:28 am

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Clarity i would say the shield instead of they in your description.

Overall i like it
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Post Post #18 (ISO) » Sat Oct 01, 2016 10:41 am

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In post 17, SpyreX wrote:Clarity i would say the shield instead of they in your description.

Overall i like it
Rephrased for clarity and to avoid redundancy.

Better?
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Post Post #19 (ISO) » Sat Oct 01, 2016 11:00 am

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Much. I could see using it for sure
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Post Post #20 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:55 pm

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In post 19, SpyreX wrote:Much. I could see using it for sure
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