"villager" terminology

[drealmerz7]

I'd just like to see the word "Villager" added to the allowed vanilla names for Normal games. Any reason it's not in the list?

(allowed names include: Townie, Vanilla Townie, Townsperson, Citizen)

if this is discussed somewhere previously, please forgive, and provide a link!

[Accountant]

That would be a radical shift to the way the game is played

I'm not sure mafiascum.net can handle that kind of paradigm shift

[Ranmaru]

sup dreamers I'm in PA also

[Vi]

That would be a radical shift to the way the game is played

I'm not sure mafiascum.net can handle that kind of paradigm shift

yeah, we'd be playing werewolf instead

and, like

ewwwww

[mastina]

Pretty sure it's allowed.

[Ranmaru]

vanillager townieperson

[drealmerz7]

oh is it forbidden to prefer werewolf flavor here? oops! cause I do! SO MUCH! :þ

howdy ranmaru, and others!

[mastina]

You'll find plenty of people use wolf slang.
I mean, I've been thoroughly mafiascuminized, so I used scummer terminology, but I had a lot of experience with werewolf as the dominant flavor, so I don't particularly mind.

[drealmerz7]

Yeah, I figure it'll be used, I was more talking about from a modding standpoint in the OP, and if that is ever allowable in normal games (to have a flip of Villager instead of Town)

[Vi]

Werewolf is allowed (albeit uncommon); I just have a reflex that causes me to uncontrollably mock anything titled

Are You a Werewolf?

.

[mastina]

Actually, they just ask, "Are you a wolf?"

[callforjudgement]

Asking people if they're scum is rarely helpful anyway. (And we have the "scum" abbreviation here which works just as well for wolves as it does for Mafia.)

EDIT: Huh, new Mastin alt? I was expecting mastin3, but I like this one too.

[mhsmith0]

I use werewolf terminology all the time, rarely get complaints. LIke, I'm supposed to not use it around the newbies in newbie games (mainly to avoid confusion) but that's really it for when I get any kind of pushback at all.

[Zorblag]

For a while Troll played live games with a player who was always honest. So him would answer yes if asked if him was scum despite Troll's pleas to the contrary. Him also thought that it was fun to always lynch Troll day 1 regardless of Troll's actual alignment (because Troll be too "sneaky",) and the groups were small enough that it happened (typically 5 players; if Troll was town with that player the lynch was a given; if him was scum then him was out already and if Troll was actually scum, well, him just had to convince one other.) Troll ended up needing to claim mafia at the start of day one when Troll had the role with a WIFOM partner claim (that usually kept Troll's actual partner safe,) for enough games that Troll could eventually go back to playing scum as it was meant to be from the start.

Meta be a pain at times. Concentrated meta more-so. And there be times when asking if someone be scum be of use, but there shouldn't be.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[mastina]

EDIT: Huh, new Mastin alt? I was expecting mastin3.

That's because you, like many others, wrongly assume the 2 in mastin2 was just tacked on, ignoring that there was a history behind the name. I was mastin2

before

I was Mastin. And note the uppercase versus lowercase.

The 2 comes from 2 being one of my favorite numbers, and it being in my original mastin2 account on the battleon forums. Where everyone called me Mastin, thus why when I signed up here I used the name Mastin, before switching

back

to mastin2. It's really unfortunate 2 was my favorite number instead of, say, 4, because nobody would make that joke if I went from Mastin to mastin4. (I mean, they might ask where they other two went instead, but at least they wouldn't ask that.)

But, yes, I do like the name mastina. I feel it fits me even better than mastin2 did.

[xRECKONERx]

what

[Accountant]

For a while Troll played live games with a player who was always honest. So him would answer yes if asked if him was scum despite Troll's pleas to the contrary. Him also thought that it was fun to always lynch Troll day 1 regardless of Troll's actual alignment (because Troll be too "sneaky",) and the groups were small enough that it happened (typically 5 players; if Troll was town with that player the lynch was a given; if him was scum then him was out already and if Troll was actually scum, well, him just had to convince one other.) Troll ended up needing to claim mafia at the start of day one when Troll had the role with a WIFOM partner claim (that usually kept Troll's actual partner safe,) for enough games that Troll could eventually go back to playing scum as it was meant to be from the start.

Meta be a pain at times. Concentrated meta more-so. And there be times when asking if someone be scum be of use, but there shouldn't be.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

You didn't have a rule against trust-telling?

[Zorblag]

@Accountant, if a player *ALWAYS* tells the truth that no helps. Unless Troll no knows what trust-telling be. Troll tried very hard to argue for the idea that one should play each game to win that game, but it no was accepted. Troll had to play against it in the local meta which lead to the fluctuations that we had until Troll could get to an acceptable equilibrium. It was a less serious setting than we have here and no one Troll would particularly advocate. Troll was playing with friends though, and Troll had good times despite the need to alter the meta so explicitly.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[callforjudgement]

A trust tell is any pattern you establish that allows yourself to prove yourself as town, and then refuse to follow the same pattern as scum because it would prevent you using it to win future town games.

Always telling the truth is a trust tell unless you refuse to answer questions about your alignment regardless of what your alignment is (because as soon as you say "I am town" and expect players to believe it, not saying "I am town" as scum is basically sacrificing your chance to win this game in the hope of winning future games).

Trust tells have been banned here for a while.

[drealmerz7]

I'm still unsure that, if I'm writing to moderate a game, if I'm allowed to use "villager" - the rules say "mafia flavor only", but, really? I guess is the dumb question I'm asking. It says "wolf" alignments are okay, but in the "permitted Vanilla Townie names" villager is not there.

Ehhh, if anyone wants to be a answering board for my newbie-to-mafiascum.net questions, I'd much appreciate it.

[callforjudgement]

IIRC Werewolf flavour used to be explicitly allowed in Normals (except Newbie games, which still technically fall under the rules for Normals even though nobody cares about whether games outside the Normal queue are Normal nowadays; we stopped enforcing them for Opens ages ago). Nowadays, having Werewolves as the only scum faction is explicitly allowed, and using Werewolf flavour elsewhere in the game is implicitly allowed. I interpret the list of legal VT synonyms as a list of suggestions for what sort of names are allowed, rather than an exhaustive list. (However, it's possible that other NRG members disagree with me on this.)

The rules requiring Mafia flavour are specific to Newbie games, and don't apply to the Normal queue.

[drealmerz7]

Okay great!

So, do you think for a mini-normal I could have a mafia/werewolf faction that was called sayyy...."raiders" or "Evil" ? as long as it was understood in the public flavor that raiders or Evil are the "bad guys" ? or something similarly obvious?

I do realize that if I looked through a bunch of games I might find my answers, but, I actually very much dislike reading old games. It doesn't "work" for me.

[mhsmith0]

Yes you can do flavor as you like. See some large themes where they don't use mafia/werewolf flavor at all.

[mhsmith0]

^edit: I'm not sure for mini normals. But mini non normals you can do flavor as you like.

[drealmerz7]

Yeah, I'm just wondering about the normals. I have a large theme I want to host eventually, and other theme ideas in my head I want to eventually work on. So, gotta do the hosting of 2 normals first, which I'm looking forward to, but am trying to work out the settings and what terminology I can use before I get too far along with working on them.