Common handling of hider role

[PantherPunt]

I haven't been able to find an answer by search or on wikis

But if a hider targets scum

And a doctor also targets hider

Does hider live?

Or is the hider death from targeting scum above that?

[Randomnamechange]

hider dies. The doctor cannot target them.

[PantherPunt]

Thought so thank you

[mastina]

The answer to that isn't on the wiki?

I mean, I can understand that circa three years ago.
But the hider role was standardized (mostly) quite a bit ago. (I mean, I personally lost the battle to have MY definition of hider which was sensible and rational be used, but I do remember we set a standard anyway even if not the one I preferred.)

It used to be moderator decision.

Nowadays, general consensus is indeed, hider dies.

[Randomnamechange]

Thought so thank you

no problem

[mhsmith0]

i like to think of it in terms of people and houses.

Hider A camps out at player B house, which means that anyone targeting hider does nothing because he's nit at his house. Otoh any kills targeting B also hits A (think of it like someone shooting up B house, anyone there dies, excepting a doc action on B or a BP from B), because that's where b is.

[Ircher]

Think of Hider like Commuter exceot it has to choose a target, is weak, and and is killed if its target is killed.

[callforjudgement]

With some variants of the role, you could save the Hider by targeting their target. The doc goes round to the scum's house, finds a dying Hider outside who's been shot by the scum, and treats their wounds.
I don't think that variant's all that popular nowadays though because it leads to some bizarre role interactions.

[Infinity 324]

I wonder why hider stopped being normal...

[callforjudgement]

Because nobody could agree on what the role actually did. One of the goals of Normals is that if you see a standardised role, you should know how it works.

It's now a greylist role, i.e. it counts as a nonstandardised role but is allowed in with NRG permission. The advantage of that is that as nonstandardised roles are nonstandardised, the standardisation issues with Hider don't hurt it there.

[Infinity 324]

I wonder why hider stopped being normal...

/s