How to respond to presure when you're scum read
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I said it's a good way to get townread, not a good reason to townread someoneThere's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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I'm of the opinion that this has cost you a couple of the games I have seen you in.In post 34, RadiantCowbells wrote:You need to manipulate other townies when you are town and those who say otherwise are idealists who don't understand how the game works.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.- callforjudgement
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There are plenty of tells that a) don't work, but b) are nonetheless widely used in practice. In general, once you're aware of them you can ensure that you don't fall into them as either alignment; this will cause people who use nonworking tells to townread you more, and that has to be a good thing, right?
Activity is a good example. Being active is null. Being inactive is also null, unless there's a sign that it's intentional rather than caused by real life circumstances (in which case it's a scumtell; but this situation doesn't come up very often).scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town- Infinity 324
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Greatly varies depending who you play against. Especially if its light content posts I read the players who post 20 times a day as anti-town VI at best and am not as willing to believe anything they say because the cant organize anything or at least make the effort to be pro-town in their thought processIn post 50, Accountant wrote:I said it's a good way to get townread, not a good reason to townread someone
Again its the game bot player vs hyperactive player. What is viewed as a good thing to one is something that will get you lynched by the other- kuribo
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Anyone scumreading you is just pretending and are actually scum because they know you can't fucking be mislynched and the dumb SOBs just keep trying anyway, and town recognizes your inherent towniness.In post 0, ThinkBig wrote:One of the things that I have noticed that I have trouble with is when I'm scum read and/or have a wagon on me, I tend to start lurking back and falling behind. I don't really know how to respond to the pressure and how to "town up" when you're widely scum read.
What advice should I take to improve in that area? That's probably the weakest area in my games.
So scream at your wagon until it goes away, eventually they'll back off because of the futility of lynching you, you'll look more town for it, and you'll cause them to fear ever even bothering voting you. Especially after you get them lynched for even daring to come at you. Place their heads in your trophy room of fallen scum, then point to the pile of bodies you've left in your wake whenever they vote you. You'll get NK'd N1 more often, but that's the sweetest victory right there.Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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In post 12, Aeronaut wrote:The way to respond to pressure is by pressuring someone else, town or scum. The only way you can get those people off of you is by giving them a better option.With the exception of Closed Setup where you don't know the exact number of scum, we have to remember thatI think this works regardless of alignment and I believe to a certain degreeisthe only way.comparisonis an important part of mafia. If you cannot manipulate the mafia, manipulate the comparison.
However...
If you are having hard time telling a convincing case of who is mafia,
...and run POE. (Process Of Elimination)tell who is town
I (as a guilty pleasure) plays EpicMafia. When there is a newbie says "I am scared that I am wrong" when being asked about who they accuse, I asked them who they trust.
Start explaining why you townread someone with a great detail. If you are being scumread, the first thing that you want to say is "I am not buddying. I am genuine." When you successfully said that, you would have easier time saying "I am not mafia.""The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Only true in Newbies game.In post 54, Infinity 324 wrote:In general scum tend to be slightly less active than town, just cause they are slightly less motivated in general"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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POE is marely a tool
some is a good player if they know every possible tools that can help and treat them just as tools nothing more.
saying "I am not mafia" will actually effect the other players in a good way. Its lie. to tell a believable lie is a skill. if you can't do that don't use lie as a manipulative tool - easyFalse tears bring pain to those around you
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"I am not mafia"
The context of the discourse is regardless of alignment, right?saying "I am not mafia" will actually effect the other players in a good way. Its lie. to tell a believable lie is a skill. if you can't do that don't use lie as a manipulative tool - easy"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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yes
as I said this game needs social skills and politics. even town needs to lie for different usages. Lie is not against transparency. Being believable is the first step to impact the game.False tears bring pain to those around you
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I can not imagine town lying except power role related."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Its either a lie or you didn't play enough games.In post 62, Realeo wrote:I can not imagine town lying except power role related.
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No. Really?
If town hiding details, a lot. I hide a lot of detail as PR~a tell that I have to fix. But faking reads?
Wow."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Thats what I was trying TO MAKE people not do in past year in all my games that ended in a rant :/
My stance changed : People lie left and right - and if their good at it - let them do it but never trust anyone.
This stance lets me live lolFalse tears bring pain to those around you
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I don't even think I lied as mafia as long it is not PR related. My strategy as mafia is tell exactly what town!Realeo would say, but if I dislike what town!Realeo would say, omit that.
Town normally won't find that since town don't care to dig my case deeply.
Since town!Realeo quite sucks, so town!Realeo generate a lot of inaccurate read that scum!Realeo likes.
Town usually sucks, so it is easy to make a case."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Can someone confirm FA. I am shocked.
I cannot imagine town lying non-PR related is considered good play."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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that depends on your definition of lie
like when [redacted] lied in bloodborne to make a confirmable town dies *when they were sleep ehem*
or like when town lied in saga again and again
I played like 50 games. Town lied in like 40 of them. ...False tears bring pain to those around you
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My definition of lie is telling the contrary.
I have a VI gambit, but my VI gambit relies on telling sub-par tell and keeping the hi-quality read later on. Even when I play VI gambit, I am still accountable for what I said.
Not PR or gambit related? Actually fakinglike when [redacted] lied in bloodborne to make a confirmable town dies *when they were sleep ehem*reads?
Wow"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Lets not talk about bloodborne
My badfor mentioning itFalse tears bring pain to those around you
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Due to language barrier, I cannot prcoess if that is a yes or a no."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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I didn't answer
Its just too painful to talk about it.False tears bring pain to those around you
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Oh no =D. I was talking about mykonian.
"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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