How to respond to presure when you're scum read

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Post Post #50 (ISO) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 10:43 pm

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I said it's a good way to get townread, not a good reason to townread someone
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Post Post #51 (ISO) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 10:44 pm

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That factor depends on who are you playing with
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Post Post #52 (ISO) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 12:05 am

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In post 34, RadiantCowbells wrote:You need to manipulate other townies when you are town and those who say otherwise are idealists who don't understand how the game works.
I'm of the opinion that this has cost you a couple of the games I have seen you in.
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Post Post #53 (ISO) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 6:21 am

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In post 49, Frozen Angel wrote:their simply irrelevant variables

activity by itself is NAI
There are plenty of tells that a) don't work, but b) are nonetheless widely used in practice. In general, once you're aware of them you can ensure that you don't fall into them as either alignment; this will cause people who use nonworking tells to townread you more, and that has to be a good thing, right?

Activity is a good example. Being active is null. Being inactive is also null, unless there's a sign that it's intentional rather than caused by real life circumstances (in which case it's a scumtell; but this situation doesn't come up very often).
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Post Post #54 (ISO) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:29 am

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In general scum tend to be slightly less active than town, just cause they are slightly less motivated in general
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Post Post #55 (ISO) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 1:22 pm

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In post 50, Accountant wrote:I said it's a good way to get townread, not a good reason to townread someone
Greatly varies depending who you play against. Especially if its light content posts I read the players who post 20 times a day as anti-town VI at best and am not as willing to believe anything they say because the cant organize anything or at least make the effort to be pro-town in their thought process

Again its the game bot player vs hyperactive player. What is viewed as a good thing to one is something that will get you lynched by the other
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Post Post #56 (ISO) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 8:49 pm

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In post 0, ThinkBig wrote:One of the things that I have noticed that I have trouble with is when I'm scum read and/or have a wagon on me, I tend to start lurking back and falling behind. I don't really know how to respond to the pressure and how to "town up" when you're widely scum read.

What advice should I take to improve in that area? That's probably the weakest area in my games.
Anyone scumreading you is just pretending and are actually scum because they know you can't fucking be mislynched and the dumb SOBs just keep trying anyway, and town recognizes your inherent towniness.

So scream at your wagon until it goes away, eventually they'll back off because of the futility of lynching you, you'll look more town for it, and you'll cause them to fear ever even bothering voting you. Especially after you get them lynched for even daring to come at you. Place their heads in your trophy room of fallen scum, then point to the pile of bodies you've left in your wake whenever they vote you. You'll get NK'd N1 more often, but that's the sweetest victory right there.
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Post Post #57 (ISO) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 12:28 am

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In post 12, Aeronaut wrote:The way to respond to pressure is by pressuring someone else, town or scum. The only way you can get those people off of you is by giving them a better option.
I think this works regardless of alignment and I believe to a certain degree
is
the only way.
With the exception of Closed Setup where you don't know the exact number of scum, we have to remember that
comparison
is an important part of mafia. If you cannot manipulate the mafia, manipulate the comparison.

However...
In post 0, ThinkBig wrote:I don't really know how to respond to the pressure and how to "town up" when you're widely scum read.
If you are having hard time telling a convincing case of who is mafia,
tell who is town
...and run POE. (Process Of Elimination)

I (as a guilty pleasure) plays EpicMafia. When there is a newbie says "I am scared that I am wrong" when being asked about who they accuse, I asked them who they trust.

Start explaining why you townread someone with a great detail. If you are being scumread, the first thing that you want to say is "I am not buddying. I am genuine." When you successfully said that, you would have easier time saying "I am not mafia."
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Post Post #58 (ISO) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 12:29 am

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In post 54, Infinity 324 wrote:In general scum tend to be slightly less active than town, just cause they are slightly less motivated in general
Only true in Newbies game.
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Post Post #59 (ISO) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 12:48 am

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POE is marely a tool

some is a good player if they know every possible tools that can help and treat them just as tools nothing more.

saying "I am not mafia" will actually effect the other players in a good way. Its lie. to tell a believable lie is a skill. if you can't do that don't use lie as a manipulative tool - easy
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Post Post #60 (ISO) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 12:52 am

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"I am not mafia"
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saying "I am not mafia" will actually effect the other players in a good way. Its lie. to tell a believable lie is a skill. if you can't do that don't use lie as a manipulative tool - easy
The context of the discourse is regardless of alignment, right?
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Post Post #61 (ISO) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 1:17 am

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yes

as I said this game needs social skills and politics. even town needs to lie for different usages. Lie is not against transparency. Being believable is the first step to impact the game.
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Post Post #62 (ISO) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 1:59 am

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I can not imagine town lying except power role related.
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Post Post #63 (ISO) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 2:05 am

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In post 62, Realeo wrote:I can not imagine town lying except power role related.
Its either a lie or you didn't play enough games.

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Post Post #64 (ISO) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 2:11 am

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No. Really?

If town hiding details, a lot. I hide a lot of detail as PR~a tell that I have to fix. But faking reads?

Wow.
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Post Post #65 (ISO) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 2:15 am

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Thats what I was trying TO MAKE people not do in past year in all my games that ended in a rant :/

My stance changed : People lie left and right - and if their good at it - let them do it but never trust anyone.

This stance lets me live lol :]
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Post Post #66 (ISO) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 2:19 am

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I don't even think I lied as mafia as long it is not PR related. My strategy as mafia is tell exactly what town!Realeo would say, but if I dislike what town!Realeo would say, omit that.

Town normally won't find that since town don't care to dig my case deeply.

Since town!Realeo quite sucks, so town!Realeo generate a lot of inaccurate read that scum!Realeo likes.

Town usually sucks, so it is easy to make a case.
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Post Post #67 (ISO) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 2:22 am

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Can someone confirm FA. I am shocked.

I cannot imagine town lying non-PR related is considered good play.
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Post Post #68 (ISO) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 2:27 am

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that depends on your definition of lie

like when [redacted] lied in bloodborne to make a confirmable town dies *when they were sleep ehem*

or like when town lied in saga again and again

I played like 50 games. Town lied in like 40 of them. ...
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Post Post #69 (ISO) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 2:31 am

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My definition of lie is telling the contrary.

I have a VI gambit, but my VI gambit relies on telling sub-par tell and keeping the hi-quality read later on. Even when I play VI gambit, I am still accountable for what I said.
like when [redacted] lied in bloodborne to make a confirmable town dies *when they were sleep ehem*
Not PR or gambit related? Actually faking
reads
?

Wow
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Post Post #70 (ISO) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 2:41 am

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Lets not talk about bloodborne

My badfor mentioning it
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Post Post #71 (ISO) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 2:43 am

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I mean, it keeps you alive if you play like scum.

But at what cost? VT's aren't survivors.
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Post Post #72 (ISO) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 2:58 am

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Due to language barrier, I cannot prcoess if that is a yes or a no.
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Post Post #73 (ISO) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 3:00 am

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I didn't answer

Its just too painful to talk about it.
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Post Post #74 (ISO) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 3:00 am

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In post 73, Frozen Angel wrote:I didn't answer

Its just too painful to talk about it.
Oh no =D. I was talking about mykonian.
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