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Post Post #0 (ISO) » Sat Feb 04, 2017 9:32 am

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Ello, I was wondering how I could learn to read and analyze games better for the improvement of my own strategy, and games that might be good to analyze.
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Post Post #1 (ISO) » Sat Feb 04, 2017 11:15 am

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Look at pretty standard games ot get a better idea of how scum work while avoiding weirdness.
I would recommend gistou and Bloodborne Mafia to start with
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Post Post #2 (ISO) » Sat Feb 04, 2017 11:20 am

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In post 1, Randomnamechange wrote:Look at pretty standard games ot get a better idea of how scum work while avoiding weirdness.
I would recommend gistou and Bloodborne Mafia to start with
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Post Post #3 (ISO) » Sat Feb 04, 2017 1:43 pm

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Gistou.
Bloodborne.
But why randomidget would consider those games to "avoid weirdness", I don't know. While I don't hold the extreme opinion of it being "not a game of mafia", I was the mod of Gistou and I'd say the game was weird. All my games are. They're mechanically complex.
Varsoon's Bloodborne was similarly so. (In fact, V was my inspiration to run Gistou; I molded my modding style after his.)
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Post Post #4 (ISO) » Sat Feb 04, 2017 1:58 pm

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I'd say start by reading Road to Rome games. See what kind of things newbie town and scum tend to do, see who is or isn't good at calling those things out, and slowly build up to where you can analyze people who are relatively less experienced or just not good at scum. Then start to work on figuring out people who ARE good at scum.
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Post Post #5 (ISO) » Sun Feb 05, 2017 2:21 am

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In post 3, mastina wrote:Gistou.
Bloodborne.
But why randomidget would consider those games to "avoid weirdness", I don't know. While I don't hold the extreme opinion of it being "not a game of mafia", I was the mod of Gistou and I'd say the game was weird. All my games are. They're mechanically complex.
Varsoon's Bloodborne was similarly so. (In fact, V was my inspiration to run Gistou; I molded my modding style after his.)
i was making a joke. Those were the two oddest games I could think of
mhsmith0 wrote:I'd say start by reading Road to Rome games. See what kind of things newbie town and scum tend to do, see who is or isn't good at calling those things out, and slowly build up to where you can analyze people who are relatively less experienced or just not good at scum. Then start to work on figuring out people who ARE good at scum.
this is probably the best option. Opens are good as well.
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Post Post #6 (ISO) » Sat Feb 11, 2017 11:12 pm

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Bloodborne was not mafia ...
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Post Post #7 (ISO) » Mon Feb 13, 2017 4:39 am

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In post 6, Frozen Angel wrote:Bloodborne was not mafia ...
it was
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Post Post #8 (ISO) » Mon Feb 13, 2017 4:49 am

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it definitely wasn't
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Post Post #9 (ISO) » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:47 am

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100% was
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Post Post #10 (ISO) » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:48 am

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100% wasn't
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Post Post #11 (ISO) » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:54 am

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ohhhhhhh yes it is
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Post Post #12 (ISO) » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:55 am

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well lol

I don't think we're going to have a constructive convo here :]
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Post Post #13 (ISO) » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:55 am

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Yes we will :P
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Post Post #14 (ISO) » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:56 am

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tbh it was basically mafia for the first few days until it got to being whoever was on at day start.
the issue was with the way it was played with town leaders in PTs rather than open posting.
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Post Post #15 (ISO) » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:56 am

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[quote="In post 13, mhsmith0"][/quote]
ohhhhhhh no we won't
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Post Post #16 (ISO) » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:56 am

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ok if you say so!

BB was a not a mafia game cause I as a ingle player and nahdia could remove the concept of day phase form the game. Without day phase the game is not mafia

any other questions? :]

ok
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Post Post #17 (ISO) » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:57 am

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In post 14, Randomnamechange wrote:tbh it was basically mafia for the first few days until it got to being whoever was on at day start.
the issue was with the way it was played with town leaders in PTs rather than open posting.
I hesitated to take over the game D2 or the game was like my fight against evil :D
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Post Post #18 (ISO) » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:58 am

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In post 16, Frozen Angel wrote:ok if you say so!

BB was a not a mafia game cause I as a ingle player and nahdia could remove the concept of day phase form the game. Without day phase the game is not mafia

any other questions? :]

ok
i agree with you on that point, but it wouldnt have been as much of an issue if we had lynched patches early on.
also how did that work out for you?
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Post Post #19 (ISO) » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:58 am

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My hesitation killed me

I was obv town
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Post Post #20 (ISO) » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:59 am

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and derp players who called me "lucky" - didn't understand the conceptof "I can confirm myself as town" and Europhean timeline ;)
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Post Post #21 (ISO) » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:59 am

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tbf so was shadow
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Post Post #22 (ISO) » Mon Feb 13, 2017 11:00 am

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Too good to be true fallacy is a bitching one you know

pedit : he lied and he was not obvtown - I called his lie and his lie got me killed when I could win every bossfight and stop nahdia later on

so yeah the joke is on you all
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Post Post #23 (ISO) » Mon Feb 13, 2017 11:01 am

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I mean he lied to be "obvtown"

so ...

your not understanding the concept of obvtown
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Post Post #24 (ISO) » Mon Feb 13, 2017 11:01 am

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not really, seeing as i called every scum in our PT but they were incorrectly believed to be mechanically confirmed.
we believed his lie
therefore he was obvtown
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