Can we have rule on "political slur"?

[-Grey-]

I love how you keep ignoring 1458 and only refer to 1457 as your example, btw.

[Infinity 324]

I never said I have zero objections to those posts. I would not have made those posts. However, I would not have reported them either and I can see why someone would think they were ok.

If you were serious about the muslim thing, that looks clearly over the line to me. What real said was not clearly over the line imo.

But the fact that we're having this discussion proves realeo's point that this stuff should be more clearly laid out. I don't think what realeo said was bigoted, and you do. There needs to be a line so people know what is and is not ok.

PEdit: what accountant said in 74

[-Grey-]

The generalizations are different in the level of loadedness and bigotry that they represent and the context is widlly different.

The only difference in context is the recipient.

Negative remarks and blind assumptions about a person's politics are just as offensive as negative remarks and blind assumptions about their religion.

[-Grey-]

PEdit: what accountant said in 74

What I said in 77.

[Infinity 324]

Negative remarks and blind assumptions about a person's politics are just as offensive as negative remarks and blind assumptions about their religion.

I disagree here. I generally find "political discrimination" doesn't tend to offend people as much because it's usually less central to a person's identity than race or religion.

Not only that, "your logic is bad" =///= "you're a terrorist"

[Infinity 324]

Can't emphasize this enough, the fact that we're having this debate shows the need for a clearer line. That's realeo's point and my point.

[Accountant]

The point that sways me is what the substance of the negative remarks is. In the first case, Realeo was implying that Republicans have dubious explanations for their ideas. This is, while inappropriate for a mafia game, not reportable. In the second case, you are implying that Muslims actively demonize and mistreat people who are not Muslim or who disagree with them. This is a level of insult that goes above and beyond saying that their logic is dubious, and therefore to consider the two equal is strawmannish.

[Accountant]

Regarding the original debate, I feel that Grey's point is correct. "Don't be a dick" and moderator judgement is more than sufficient for mafia games. If the line is not clear, simply take steps to ensure that you're very far away from the general vincinity of the line, like I do.

[-Grey-]

Negative remarks and blind assumptions about a person's politics are just as offensive as negative remarks and blind assumptions about their religion.

I disagree here. I generally find "political discrimination" doesn't tend to offend people as much because it's usually less central to a person's identity than race or religion.

Not only that, "your logic is bad" =///= "you're a terrorist"

Given the zealotry in politics, you cannot honestly believe this to be true.

Why was Abraham Lincoln killed, again?

Martin Luther King, Jr... why was he assassinated?

Ronald Reagan, why was he shot? JFK?

Oh fuck it, just read https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of ... oliticians

Don't tell me people don't take politics as serious as religion.

[Accountant]

The point that sways me is what the substance of the negative remarks is. In the first case, Realeo was implying that Republicans have dubious explanations for their ideas. This is, while inappropriate for a mafia game, not reportable. In the second case, you are implying that Muslims actively demonize and mistreat people who are not Muslim or who disagree with them. This is a level of insult that goes above and beyond saying that their logic is dubious, and therefore to consider the two equal is strawmannish.

I feel also like the bigotry is a step above due to the level of misrepresentation of the victim category in question. Republicans not believing in global warming isn't a far fetched claim; their political candidate announced his belief in this. They would certainly contest that they do explain it, but this is at worst a quibble about how they go about pushing their claims onto others.

On the other hand, saying that Muslims demonize others is completely false and a blatant caricature of Muslims and the Islamic religion in general. That is nowhere near reality and can be construed as an inflammatory picture only used to mock Muslims, hence why it is worse.

[-Grey-]

Not worse at all, Realeo was being just as dickish about Republicans.

[Accountant]

Well, I've laid out my arguments as to why I think Realeo's statements about Republicans aren't as dickish as your hypothetical post about Muslims.

[Infinity 324]

Negative remarks and blind assumptions about a person's politics are just as offensive as negative remarks and blind assumptions about their religion.

I disagree here. I generally find "political discrimination" doesn't tend to offend people as much because it's usually less central to a person's identity than race or religion.

Not only that, "your logic is bad" =///= "you're a terrorist"

Given the zealotry in politics, you cannot honestly believe this to be true.

Why was Abraham Lincoln killed, again?

Martin Luther King, Jr... why was he assassinated?

Ronald Reagan, why was he shot? JFK?

Oh fuck it, just read https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of ... oliticians

Don't tell me people don't take politics as serious as religion.

Not what I meant

I wouldn't be as personally insulted if you insulted my politics as if you insulted my race. My race is more central to me and is literally part of me, whereas my politics is just one set of opinions I have. Of course politics is very divisive but it's less personal than race or religion.

[-Grey-]

Negative remarks and blind assumptions about a person's politics are just as offensive as negative remarks and blind assumptions about their religion.

I disagree here. I generally find "political discrimination" doesn't tend to offend people as much because it's usually less central to a person's identity than race or religion.

Not only that, "your logic is bad" =///= "you're a terrorist"

Given the zealotry in politics, you cannot honestly believe this to be true.

Why was Abraham Lincoln killed, again?

Martin Luther King, Jr... why was he assassinated?

Ronald Reagan, why was he shot? JFK?

Oh fuck it, just read https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of ... oliticians

Don't tell me people don't take politics as serious as religion.

Not what I meant

I wouldn't be as personally insulted if you insulted my politics as if you insulted my race. My race is more central to me and is literally part of me, whereas my politics is just one set of opinions I have. Of course politics is very divisive but it's less personal than race or religion.

Not everything is about you!

You don't look at a statement and say, "well it doesn't offend me personally so nobody else has a right to be offended by it".

That's not how the world works.

[Infinity 324]

Do you find things that are physically part of you less personal to you than your opinions? If so, ok but that's not how most people work.

[Accountant]

Religion is a physical part of you?

[-Grey-]

Do you find things that are physically part of you less personal to you than your opinions? If so, ok but that's not how most people work.

Beliefs can be just as integral to a person's identity as their physical construct.

What you are born with, you cannot choose and thus have no control over and no point of pride in.

What you

support

is where your heart and soul lies.

[-Grey-]

Everyone who has ever martyred themselves (religion) or dived on a grenade (military) or otherwise sacrificed themselves placed their beliefs above their physical being.

[Infinity 324]

Good point

[Infinity 324]

Still, in my experience, people take less offense to generalizations about politics than generalizations about religion

[kuribo]

Yeah. Speak like a true Republican.

I wouldn't be surprised if the next thing you say is "Global warming is BS because politicians are twisting the shit out of what actually happened to spin a narrative."

THAT IS INDEFENSIBLE.

It's insulting but it's not out of game influence you disingenuous fuck, and the fact that you said you reported him for out of game influence is indefensible. Frankly, were I a skittle, I'd punish revenge-reporters anyway.

People like you make a fucking mockery of the reporting system. And honestly, if you think "Republican" is a slur, you've got some pretty soft fucking feelings. Grow the Fuck up and accept that mafia is a heated game and sometimes people let their emotions get the better of them. Or just keep whining about it, but for the love of all that is holy, stop abusing the fucking report system.

[-Grey-]

Catch up or shut the fuck up kuribo.

[kuribo]

And even kuribo can't argue THAT.

And ants shouldn't presume to speak with gods, so don't be name dropping grown folks into your childish semantics.

[-Grey-]

You CAN'T FUCKING DEAL with the fact that I pointed out how your bullshit was overall indefensible despite my original clumsy writing, SO YOUR RETURN TO SPLITTING HAIRS ON OLD CONTENT THAT IS NO LONGER RELEVANT

not being a flaming douchebag towards others isn't a concept that should have to be rigorously defended.

Courtesy would have been to apologize.

Courtesy would have been to resolve the matter privately.

You only sought validation. You care nothing about courtesy.

[kuribo]

Catch up or shut the fuck up kuribo.

YOU CANT TELL ME TO SHUT UP THATS PERSONAL


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