Balance question

[Powder Punk Girl]

What is a good ratio for two scum teams(mafia 1 and mafia 2)

[mhsmith0]

1) Open or closed?
2) Mountainous or PR heavy?
3) Any other special mechanics?

FWIW a simple multiball open setup is fire and ice
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Fire_and_Ice

9/2/2, with a town doc and with scum kills cancelling out if they shoot the same target

History has been roughly 33% for each faction, suggesting it's pretty decently balanced for MS meta, unless you feel that multiball should favor towns (win rate closer to 50%), in which case it's scumsided.

[Powder Punk Girl]

Closed setup, thinking lower power game, the special mechanic is that there is a third mafia that actually consists of players from both the mafia teams. It's very experimental and if you'd like to know more we can discuss it over PM. As I don't want too much information just out there.

[Antihero]

it's been done

[Antihero]

it's hard to find things on a phone but i could swear i've seen someone run a game w two scumteams where 1 person was in both. was either a mini or micro.

[Powder Punk Girl]

I don't play on here very often so I wouldn't know. and its not just one member on two teams, its a member on each team is actually a part of the real team.

[mhsmith0]

I think there was something where there was Mafia A (all mafia) and then a secret Mafia B which was a portion of Mafia A. I forget the details tho.

[Powder Punk Girl]

See it's kind of like that but instead Mafia A is all mafia, Mafia B is all mafia, and Mafia C consists of a member from A and B with another player(s) in it.

[mhsmith0]

Honestly, this sounds better as an open, or at least partially open wrt the faction mix and mechanics. Surprise multiball isn't super fun, and "surprise 4+ faction multiball" is also not fun (I speak as someone who once signed up for multiball and got stuck in a surprise 6-faction game)

[Lycanfire]

I know it's been done, but watching a vennscum campaign to their mafia teams not to shoot into the other team would be amazing to see.

[Powder Punk Girl]

We have never done open games except for like "One Night Werewolf" games. It is going to be experimental and everyone joining will know that, so it's not like everyone is going in expecting some super regular game.

[kuribo]

I think there was something where there was Mafia A (all mafia) and then a secret Mafia B which was a portion of Mafia A. I forget the details tho.

Three Pronged Trouser God Mafia had two neighbors that shared a vig shot as long as both were alive and they agreed on the target.The neighbors were scum from opposite teams.