1-Shot BP Claiming as Doctor?

[TheBrie]

I came up with a potential strategy while playing as BP in a newbie game and I'd like a little feedback.

The plan is that if you're wagoned early in the game and forced to claim, you claim doctor rather than BP. There's a 50% chance that the other PR is a tracker and you'll get no counter claim. The wagon should die down after that. However the scum will still think you are the doctor (and also assume other false information). Hopefully they'll target you the next night.

If however the other PR is a Jailkeeper, this could be quite messy. Either they'll call you out and even you explain and avoid the lynch, they'll be outed and might waste their ability by targeting you during the knight.

Has anyone seen this done? I didn't actually get to test it, because RadiantCowbells asked to do a mass BP claim before I had a chance.

[RadiantCowbells]

because RadiantCowbells asked to do a mass BP claim before I had a chance.

[mhsmith0]

This is a bad strategy. Fake claiming as town can out the actual main PR with 50% odds, and then you'll get policy lynched for a bullshit claim that can't ever be proven AND you'll out the actual important PR who will get roleblocked and shot and then it's 5v2 with town being all vanilla.

[RadiantCowbells]

Not necessarily. there are situations where it's okay.

[mhsmith0]

Newbie games are rarely such situations. Decent odds the jailkeeper is a newbie who'll jump to the cc (which is disastrous for town), and town tends to like "lynch all liars" as a strategy.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like if you're a doctor claiming BP and you do it in the right way that the cop figures out what's going on it can be good.

[mhsmith0]

Like if you're a doctor claiming BP and

if

you do it in the right way that the cop figures out what's going on it can be good.

IFYP - that if is pretty big I think

[BBmolla]

claim cop instead it'd be funny

[Powder Punk Girl]

I think it's a legit strat, but you would have to do it close to EOD, but not too close. You would just have to hope the actual protection doesn't counter you at that point though.

[Antihero]

don't do that

it looks like you have it in your head that you have this sooper sweet awesome gambit that'll totally make you the hero, but it might not play out like you want it.

there's a 50/50 chance there's a jk that will counterclaim (as they should) and town should absolutely lynch you because 9/10 times it'll be a scum lynch. they're not going to parse your posting after you're caught in a lie. then, you'll have your team pissed at you at the end of the game for being an enormous jackass.

the upside isn't even that great anyway. so scum miss a nightkill. big whoop, that doesn't even buy an extra mislynch. your bp vest is now toast and you're at even numbers (gross).

in general, re: fakeclaiming as town : the payoff isn't as great as you think it is and the consequences are more devastating than you're probably estimating. for real... fakeclaiming as town is a quick path to ruined games and people's blacklists. don't do it.

[TheBrie]

It seems the consensus is pretty clear. For that game it certainly would have been bad as there did turn out to be a JK. I'll just try to look less scummy instead.

[Randomnamechange]

it is a better strat in closed setups tbh. you either draw the kill with a bp or do the reverse and stop them from killing you as a doctor because they think you are bulletproof.

[Wisdom]

Alternatively claim "I am a BP or a doc" (as either a BP or a doc) and let scum wifom
This should make the other PR understand and not counterclaim

Done here by GuyInFreezer

Though the benefit isn't that great; scum will most likely decide to shoot you because even if you're BP they waste your vest (which we did in the above game and he was a doc)

[Randomnamechange]

Alternatively claim "I am a BP or a doc" (as either a BP or a doc) and let scum wifom
This should make the other PR understand and not counterclaim

Done here by GuyInFreezer

Though the benefit isn't that great; scum will most likely decide to shoot you because even if you're BP they waste your vest (which we did in the above game and he was a doc)

its a better claim as a bp when they they shoot you expecting to hit the doc. It can be very effective in a close game though when scum can't afford to risk missing a night kill due to the extra lynch it could give town.

[Accountant]

I want to note that, considerations about optimality aside, it's dangerous to tell newbies that fakeclaiming as town PR is a good idea. Even if you think fakeclaiming can be pulled off, the newbies might get the wrong idea and make bad plays.

[mhsmith0]

For a good example of what happens when people fakeclaim...

Spoiler: during the game

mor_tilt, a VT, hard-claims cop in order to save himself and diminish the wagon on uber (who was a wolf)

idiots

hard claim seer
uber n0

now fucking move

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Votes Target Voters (Posts in Phase)
3 Zack mhsmith0 (20), ubermensch (27), AragakiAyase (39)
3 theknightsofneeee Phighter (31), mor_tilt (30), Zack (23)
1 ubermensch Empoof (23)
1 mor_tilt Scoobs (20)
1 AragakiAyase theknightsofneeee (26)


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It was a tie. theknightsofneeee was lynched at random. They were: Vanilla Town.
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mor_tilt was killed. They were: Vanilla Town

Night 1 has ended.

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Night 1 ended at

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Friday, January 20th, 2017

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HARDCLAIM COP

n0 - scoobs v
n1 - uber w

fucking hate all of you almost had a heart attack at eod

didn't think knights was wolfy, purely for self-pres

didn't give a fuck what happened d1 as long as me and scoobs survived (for those of you who don't know, it's still +ev to lynch a vt who's not peeked on d1)

glgl

VOTE: mor_tilt

(then he sees that mor was shot n1)

wait what the fuck

one of the worst fucking plays i've ever seen holy shit you idiot

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Spoiler: Post-game

Mor's claim was so obviously fake. I don't think you could have easily got away with it even if you'd killed a vt.

Unlucky wolves

no, dumb wolves

we both copread zack and didn't realize we could mislynch mor by fakeclaim

Mor's claim was so obviously fake. I don't think you could have easily got away with it even if you'd killed a vt.

Unlucky wolves

Yeah I'm surprised I was the only one that noticed that tbh

when everyone dropped seer cover I was shocked

that's why you don't fakeclaim cop a minute to eod1

real cop almost got lynched, lots of people dropped seer cover so real cop was in trouble even if they're not lynched

just really bad with very little benefit. an unpeeked vt is a totally acceptable loss anyways.

I immediately went into "cop or wolf" mode. I just never ever expect a VT to hard claim cop for survival there on D1. I've fake claimed wolf peeks D2 but even there never as hard sold as mor did.

same, there's a reason i had the mor vote ready

thought the game was locked up after got result for uber check

imagine my surprise at the night's events

Now imagine if town had LOST that game due to that fake claim (as it was, we came very very close to a loss there). Saltiness levels by all of the villagers would have been through the roof.

[nancy]

I want to note that, considerations about optimality aside, it's dangerous to tell newbies that fakeclaiming as town PR is a good idea. Even if you think fakeclaiming can be pulled off, the newbies might get the wrong idea and make bad plays.

[WhyMafia]

I want to note that, considerations about optimality aside, it's dangerous to tell newbies that fakeclaiming as town PR is a good idea. Even if you think fakeclaiming can be pulled off, the newbies might get the wrong idea and make bad plays.

Coughs

[WhemePlay]

Nancy did it pretty good.(fake claim that is)
Its already a town sided start, I think and her play made it even more town sided

[Accountant]

Just because someone managed to go over a waterfall in a barrel doesn't mean we should tell people to do it

[nancy]

"Hey, that wasn't going over a waterfall in a barrel, that could happen any time, all I did was emotionally fakeclaim VT early in the game to cause scum to think that I was a bad player before picking the scumteam and fakeclaiming BP in FTT as Doc when I was getting run up and.." Oh.. yeah I guess you're right.

[rb]

Didn't read thread, correct claim is "BP or Doc" though

Credit to someone else, I am mere messenger

[Accountant]

The best strategy is to hardclaim mafia so the real mafia ccs and you can lynch them

[rb]

Sometimes you're comedy gold Accountant

[nancy]

The best strategy is to hardclaim mafia so the real mafia ccs and you can lynch them

Holy fucks you is genius.