1-Shot BP Claiming as Doctor?
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1-Shot BP Claiming as Doctor?
I came up with a potential strategy while playing as BP in a newbie game and I'd like a little feedback.
The plan is that if you're wagoned early in the game and forced to claim, you claim doctor rather than BP. There's a 50% chance that the other PR is a tracker and you'll get no counter claim. The wagon should die down after that. However the scum will still think you are the doctor (and also assume other false information). Hopefully they'll target you the next night.
If however the other PR is a Jailkeeper, this could be quite messy. Either they'll call you out and even you explain and avoid the lynch, they'll be outed and might waste their ability by targeting you during the knight.
Has anyone seen this done? I didn't actually get to test it, because RadiantCowbells asked to do a mass BP claim before I had a chance.ShowWas once the mistress of contingency plans. Finding all the wrong answers along with the right ones since December 2016.
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This is a bad strategy. Fake claiming as town can out the actual main PR with 50% odds, and then you'll get policy lynched for a bullshit claim that can't ever be proven AND you'll out the actual important PR who will get roleblocked and shot and then it's 5v2 with town being all vanilla.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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Newbie games are rarely such situations. Decent odds the jailkeeper is a newbie who'll jump to the cc (which is disastrous for town), and town tends to like "lynch all liars" as a strategy.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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IFYP - that if is pretty big I thinkIn post 5, RadiantCowbells wrote:Like if you're a doctor claiming BP andyou do it in the right way that the cop figures out what's going on it can be good.ifShowhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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don't do that
it looks like you have it in your head that you have this sooper sweet awesome gambit that'll totally make you the hero, but it might not play out like you want it.
there's a 50/50 chance there's a jk that will counterclaim (as they should) and town should absolutely lynch you because 9/10 times it'll be a scum lynch. they're not going to parse your posting after you're caught in a lie. then, you'll have your team pissed at you at the end of the game for being an enormous jackass.
the upside isn't even that great anyway. so scum miss a nightkill. big whoop, that doesn't even buy an extra mislynch. your bp vest is now toast and you're at even numbers (gross).
in general, re: fakeclaiming as town : the payoff isn't as great as you think it is and the consequences are more devastating than you're probably estimating. for real... fakeclaiming as town is a quick path to ruined games and people's blacklists. don't do it.The distance between insanity and genius is measured only by success.- TheBrie
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It seems the consensus is pretty clear. For that game it certainly would have been bad as there did turn out to be a JK. I'll just try to look less scummy instead.ShowWas once the mistress of contingency plans. Finding all the wrong answers along with the right ones since December 2016.
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Alternatively claim "I am a BP or a doc" (as either a BP or a doc) and let scum wifom
This should make the other PR understand and not counterclaim
Done here by GuyInFreezer
Though the benefit isn't that great; scum will most likely decide to shoot you because even if you're BP they waste your vest (which we did in the above game and he was a doc)- Randomnamechange
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its a better claim as a bp when they they shoot you expecting to hit the doc. It can be very effective in a close game though when scum can't afford to risk missing a night kill due to the extra lynch it could give town.In post 12, Wisdom wrote:Alternatively claim "I am a BP or a doc" (as either a BP or a doc) and let scum wifom
This should make the other PR understand and not counterclaim
Done here by GuyInFreezer
Though the benefit isn't that great; scum will most likely decide to shoot you because even if you're BP they waste your vest (which we did in the above game and he was a doc)vonflare (21:40)
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I want to note that, considerations about optimality aside, it's dangerous to tell newbies that fakeclaiming as town PR is a good idea. Even if you think fakeclaiming can be pulled off, the newbies might get the wrong idea and make bad plays.There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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For a good example of what happens when people fakeclaim...
Spoiler: during the game
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Spoiler: Post-game
Now imagine if town had LOST that game due to that fake claim (as it was, we came very very close to a loss there). Saltiness levels by all of the villagers would have been through the roof.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
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In post 14, Accountant wrote:I want to note that, considerations about optimality aside, it's dangerous to tell newbies that fakeclaiming as town PR is a good idea. Even if you think fakeclaiming can be pulled off, the newbies might get the wrong idea and make bad plays.
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CoughsIn post 16, nancy wrote:In post 14, Accountant wrote:I want to note that, considerations about optimality aside, it's dangerous to tell newbies that fakeclaiming as town PR is a good idea. Even if you think fakeclaiming can be pulled off, the newbies might get the wrong idea and make bad plays.- WhemePlay
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Just because someone managed to go over a waterfall in a barrel doesn't mean we should tell people to do itThere's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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"Hey, that wasn't going over a waterfall in a barrel, that could happen any time, all I did was emotionally fakeclaim VT early in the game to cause scum to think that I was a bad player before picking the scumteam and fakeclaiming BP in FTT as Doc when I was getting run up and.." Oh.. yeah I guess you're right.
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The best strategy is to hardclaim mafia so the real mafia ccs and you can lynch themThere's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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Holy fucks you is genius.In post 22, Accountant wrote:The best strategy is to hardclaim mafia so the real mafia ccs and you can lynch them
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