Does the BP claim help scum?

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Does the BP claim help scum?

Post Post #0 (ISO) » Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:48 am

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I've been playing several newbie games as of late in which the BP claim strategy was used. I have found very little evidence that it actually helps town.

Example games:
Newbie 1796: Triathalon
Newbie 1790
Newbie 1782: The American Revolution
Newbie 1786: URW 3

These are just a few examples.

I was scum in 1796 (probably my best scum game to date) and was able to utilize the information gained from not BP/BP to my advantage. Knowing there was no BP or tracker in that game, I narrowed down the possible setups to either just a jailkeeper or just a cop. My strategy was in MyLo on day 3 to immediately claim cop and fake a result. Should a jailkeeper claim, my buddy will claim doctor as a CC to the jailkeeper. If a cop CC"d me, then my buddy can still safely fake claim doctor and hopefully ride to the endgame and hope that town believes me over the CC (spoiler:
they believed me
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So, is it really worth town doing the whole BP/Tracker strategy?
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Post Post #1 (ISO) » Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:45 am

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I've been looking into this over the last few days. I haven't quite finished going through all the games that have used it yet, but so far it looks like the strategy might actually be lowering the town win rate. Because of this finding, the effect on early game play, and the effect it has on the freedom of players to make their own decisions on how to play their roles, I'm not going to encourage it's use in future games.
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Post Post #2 (ISO) » Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:49 am

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In post 1, Huntress wrote:I've been looking into this over the last few days. I haven't quite finished going through all the games that have used it yet, but so far it looks like the strategy might actually be lowering the town win rate. Because of this finding, the effect on early game play, and the effect it has on the freedom of players to make their own decisions on how to play their roles, I'm not going to encourage it's use in future games.
This. And if a tracker claims, the doctor is locked to one player the entire game. When I play doctor, I look at who is the most likely night lol choice of someone who is hinting at a PR.
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Post Post #3 (ISO) » Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:51 am

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Sure does.

Setup speculation always help scum more than town.
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Post Post #4 (ISO) » Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:56 am

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And if the doc dies early, the outed tracker probably doesn't live long enough to make effective use of their role.
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Post Post #5 (ISO) » Fri Jun 09, 2017 4:38 pm

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One of my greatest scumgames ever was the result of me claiming BP and using a no-kill gambit to bolster that claim


i mean


it helped that i could self-doc to protect myself from the vig, but still
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Post Post #6 (ISO) » Sat Jun 10, 2017 3:29 am

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The BP / not BP strategy also gives town information.
Makes multiple PRs more useful. I can give PRs that are benefited by this.
Perfect town win because the doctor knew who the tracker was.
And why did they know?
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Post Post #7 (ISO) » Sat Jun 10, 2017 3:30 am

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So yes, the BP claim helps scum but not any more than
not
doing the BP claiming.
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Post Post #8 (ISO) » Sat Jun 10, 2017 3:30 am

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Because over all the claiming strategy helps town the most.
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Post Post #9 (ISO) » Sat Jun 10, 2017 7:16 am

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16% chance of tracker doctor
33% chance of 2 goons and no bp or tracker, the scenario TB manipulated
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Post Post #10 (ISO) » Sun Jun 11, 2017 2:55 am

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Tracker doctor is not the only setup that benefits town more with the claiming strategy
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Post Post #11 (ISO) » Sun Jun 11, 2017 2:59 am

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And row 1 doesn't only help scum. There is no BP claim so the jailkeeper would know there isn't a roleblocker. This gives town more information.
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Post Post #12 (ISO) » Sun Jun 11, 2017 3:19 am

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I see. So they can trust their actions.
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Post Post #13 (ISO) » Tue Jun 13, 2017 5:46 pm

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When will we banish BP CLAIM STRATEGIES once and for all?
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Post Post #14 (ISO) » Thu Jun 15, 2017 8:56 am

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Whenever we make a new setup
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