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Post Post #75 (ISO) » Sun Aug 06, 2017 8:49 am

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It would probably be a good poll question though...

Which type of Vote Count do you prefer as a player?

1) Vote counts without vote movement shown
2) Vote counts with vote movement shown
3) No preference
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Post Post #76 (ISO) » Sun Aug 06, 2017 8:53 am

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I prefer vote movement if it's clear. Plotinus' method is very clunky imo, you can't really tell what's going on there.
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Post Post #77 (ISO) » Sun Aug 06, 2017 2:57 pm

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I mostly just care about the current state of the game. If I'm going to be looking back through past votes, I'm going to care about the stated reasons too, so a mod summary that lists votes and not reasons isn't very useful. However, knowing how far players are off being hammered is much more important.
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Post Post #78 (ISO) » Tue Aug 08, 2017 6:25 pm

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I'm being serious here: I think that if you are providing more than just the basics in the votecount, you are influencing the game as a moderator than you should be.

If players want to know vote history, wagon history etc., then it is their responsibility to do that themselves.

Please can someone who disagree justify why you aren't influencing the game, more than just "it's information available to players anyway."

I don't even like the vote movement thing that I saw Vi use - greying out previous votes etc.
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Post Post #79 (ISO) » Tue Aug 08, 2017 6:26 pm

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In post 78, Nexus wrote:I'm being serious here: I think that if you are providing more than just the basics in the votecount, you are influencing the game as a moderator than you should be.

If players want to know vote history, wagon history etc., then it is their responsibility to do that themselves.

Please can someone who disagree justify why you aren't influencing the game, more than just "it's information available to players anyway."
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Post Post #80 (ISO) » Tue Aug 08, 2017 10:27 pm

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I think the main point is that the moderators should stay away from the game as much as possible like vote history etc.
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Post Post #81 (ISO) » Wed Aug 09, 2017 12:58 am

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In post 79, Ginngie wrote:
In post 78, Nexus wrote:I'm being serious here: I think that if you are providing more than just the basics in the votecount, you are influencing the game as a moderator than you should be.

If players want to know vote history, wagon history etc., then it is their responsibility to do that themselves.

Please can someone who disagree justify why you aren't influencing the game, more than just "it's information available to players anyway."
How is any of it alignment indicative?

If it doesn't reveal a person's alignment it's not in game influence
I disagree - a moderator's job is to facilitate the game and nothing more, as I've already said. Anything more than that may influence the way one (or more) people plays.

When a mod is putting in more work to a votecount than people playing the game do, it's too much work.
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Post Post #82 (ISO) » Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:07 am

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A vote history
could
affect a players read on a slot but that's no different than using VCA on a string of votecounts. My only thing is that listing past votes on a vote count is cluttered AF and is actually pretty shit modding. and when you quote it doesn't keep the strike through so you'll have to manually either add in the strikes or edit out the not voting names. If Mastin and Plot really want to do vote histories then I still feel like they should be in a separate spoiler.
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Post Post #83 (ISO) » Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:15 am

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I probably won't do it in future games since a lot of people don't seem to like it. I started doing it because of a Vi game that I read a long time ago and I thought it made the vote counts a lot easier to follow and easier for me to understand whether there was a change or not from the previous vote count. it gives me context for what I'm seeing. It's like when you're collaborating on a document and you turn on the revision history so you can see what the previous person changed instead of having to read the whole thing and just hope you notice what the changes are.

If you quote a VC using the quote button, it preserves the strike through formatting. If you quote a VC by highlighting part of it and then hitting the quote button then it loses the formatting. If you only want to quote part of it, you can delete the parts you aren't quoting (in my VCs, that's probably everything outside the mech tag)
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Post Post #84 (ISO) » Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:17 am

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I think part of the problem is there's a sweet spot between too much information and too little information. if there's too little information you don't have context to make sense of what you're seeing. if there's too much information you end up drowning in it and there's too much noise to find the details you care about, and both situations are bad.

and different people are going to feel the sweet spot is in a different place.
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Post Post #85 (ISO) » Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:18 am

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but if most people seem to feel the sweet spot is in a different place from where I do, then as a mod I should cater to most people even if my preferences-as-a-player are a bit different.
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Post Post #86 (ISO) » Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:19 am

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I mean, my post prob came off meaner than I meant it to be. like its not something I personally care for but if it helps you and others are cool with it then more power to you.
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Post Post #87 (ISO) » Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:20 am

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you're not the only one who said you don't like it, and that's useful feedback for me to have. you haven't hurt my feelings; I'd rather know if the way I'm doing it is confusing.
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Post Post #88 (ISO) » Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:22 am

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unless your vote count history provides a link to where they voted and/or explained said vote then it's not really giving context.


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Post Post #89 (ISO) » Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:29 am

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Votecount X.X


Player X (3)
- Player A, Player B, Player C
Player Y (1)
- Player X

Not voting (1)
- Player Y

With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch. Deadline is at 5pm BST on Wednesday 16th August 2017 ((expired on 2017-08-16 17:00:00))


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do it yourself

If you want Vote History
look at it yourself

If you want to see how wagons have changed over time
DO IT YOURSELF


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Post Post #90 (ISO) » Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:30 am

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I don't mean context like "Nero voted Plot because Plot voted Nero's buddy" (and I think that's something the players need to figure out for themselves). I mean context like "what makes this vote count different from the last one is that now Nero is voting Plot" as opposed to "this is the same vote count we had 10 pages ago, nothing has changed except some time passed".

If I'm ISOing the mod and just staring at a bunch of vote counts it's hard to tell what's different, if anything, from one to the next.


Maybe I could just bold the changes and not having crossed out stuff.
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Post Post #91 (ISO) » Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:31 am

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And whilst I'm at it, do not, as a mod, use your post editing abilities for anything other than fixing broken tags.
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Post Post #92 (ISO) » Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:33 am

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In post 91, Nexus wrote:And whilst I'm at it, do not, as a mod, use your post editing abilities for anything other than fixing broken tags.
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Post Post #93 (ISO) » Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:35 am

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I will concede that, and possibly about searching for a replacement - although I prefer to address both those things at my next votecount.
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Post Post #94 (ISO) » Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:40 am

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underlines to show vote changes. less confusing i think

vc 2.05With 7 votes in play, it takes 4 to lynch.

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Ernie
(L-2): Bert, Count
Count
(L-3):
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Snuffleupugus
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Ernie

Big Bird
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Not Voting
(2): Big Bird, Elmo

Deadline
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(expired on 2017-08-16 08:41:12)
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Post Post #95 (ISO) » Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:43 am

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that's gotta be a bus. Why else would Bert vote Ernie?
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Post Post #96 (ISO) » Wed Aug 09, 2017 5:18 am

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I think....

I don't actually care what individual mods do. The info Nexus put together is all that matters to me. What I will have a problem with is if "extras" become so common that it becomes a scumtell not to use them. Sounds stupid, but in my observation it's not actually that far outside the realm of possibility.
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Post Post #97 (ISO) » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:09 am

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generally, the mods don't have an alignment so ummm...
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Post Post #98 (ISO) » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:24 am

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I didn't say the mods did. The players in the game do, however, and they make alignment judgments based on NAI things rather frequently.
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Post Post #99 (ISO) » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:34 am

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Well yeah, I mean if someone isn't doing what they usually do it's more than likely scum motivated but we were talking about extras in modding
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