I mostly just care about the current state of the game. If I'm going to be looking back through past votes, I'm going to care about the stated reasons too, so a mod summary that lists votes and not reasons isn't very useful. However, knowing how far players are off being hammered is much more important.
I'm being serious here: I think that if you are providing more than just the basics in the votecount, you are influencing the game as a moderator than you should be.
If players want to know vote history, wagon history etc., then it is their responsibility to do that themselves.
Please can someone who disagree justify why you aren't influencing the game, more than just "it's information available to players anyway."
I don't even like the vote movement thing that I saw Vi use - greying out previous votes etc.
In post 78, Nexus wrote:I'm being serious here: I think that if you are providing more than just the basics in the votecount, you are influencing the game as a moderator than you should be.
If players want to know vote history, wagon history etc., then it is their responsibility to do that themselves.
Please can someone who disagree justify why you aren't influencing the game, more than just "it's information available to players anyway."
How is any of it alignment indicative?
If it doesn't reveal a person's alignment it's not in game influence
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In post 78, Nexus wrote:I'm being serious here: I think that if you are providing more than just the basics in the votecount, you are influencing the game as a moderator than you should be.
If players want to know vote history, wagon history etc., then it is their responsibility to do that themselves.
Please can someone who disagree justify why you aren't influencing the game, more than just "it's information available to players anyway."
How is any of it alignment indicative?
If it doesn't reveal a person's alignment it's not in game influence
I disagree - a moderator's job is to facilitate the game and nothing more, as I've already said. Anything more than that may influence the way one (or more) people plays.
When a mod is putting in more work to a votecount than people playing the game do, it's too much work.
affect a players read on a slot but that's no different than using VCA on a string of votecounts. My only thing is that listing past votes on a vote count is cluttered AF and is actually pretty shit modding. and when you quote it doesn't keep the strike through so you'll have to manually either add in the strikes or edit out the not voting names. If Mastin and Plot really want to do vote histories then I still feel like they should be in a separate spoiler.
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I probably won't do it in future games since a lot of people don't seem to like it. I started doing it because of a Vi game that I read a long time ago and I thought it made the vote counts a lot easier to follow and easier for me to understand whether there was a change or not from the previous vote count. it gives me context for what I'm seeing. It's like when you're collaborating on a document and you turn on the revision history so you can see what the previous person changed instead of having to read the whole thing and just hope you notice what the changes are.
If you quote a VC using the quote button, it preserves the strike through formatting. If you quote a VC by highlighting part of it and then hitting the quote button then it loses the formatting. If you only want to quote part of it, you can delete the parts you aren't quoting (in my VCs, that's probably everything outside the mech tag)
I think part of the problem is there's a sweet spot between too much information and too little information. if there's too little information you don't have context to make sense of what you're seeing. if there's too much information you end up drowning in it and there's too much noise to find the details you care about, and both situations are bad.
and different people are going to feel the sweet spot is in a different place.
but if most people seem to feel the sweet spot is in a different place from where I do, then as a mod I should cater to most people even if my preferences-as-a-player are a bit different.
I mean, my post prob came off meaner than I meant it to be. like its not something I personally care for but if it helps you and others are cool with it then more power to you.
Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
you're not the only one who said you don't like it, and that's useful feedback for me to have. you haven't hurt my feelings; I'd rather know if the way I'm doing it is confusing.
unless your vote count history provides a link to where they voted and/or explained said vote then it's not really giving context.
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Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
If you want to see how wagons have changed over time
DO IT YOURSELF
My job as moderator is to ensure that the VCs are prompt, accurate and as unobtrusive as possible. My job as moderator is to ensure that the first post is up to date, the second post has rules, the third post has the game start and that is it.
Anything else is excessive, unnecessary, and is more mod intervention than necessary.
I don't mean context like "Nero voted Plot because Plot voted Nero's buddy" (and I think that's something the players need to figure out for themselves). I mean context like "what makes this vote count different from the last one is that now Nero is voting Plot" as opposed to "this is the same vote count we had 10 pages ago, nothing has changed except some time passed".
If I'm ISOing the mod and just staring at a bunch of vote counts it's hard to tell what's different, if anything, from one to the next.
Maybe I could just bold the changes and not having crossed out stuff.
that's gotta be a bus. Why else would Bert vote Ernie?
Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
I don't actually care what individual mods do. The info Nexus put together is all that matters to me. What I will have a problem with is if "extras" become so common that it becomes a scumtell not to use them. Sounds stupid, but in my observation it's not actually that far outside the realm of possibility.
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generally, the mods don't have an alignment so ummm...
Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
Well yeah, I mean if someone isn't doing what they usually do it's more than likely scum motivated but we were talking about extras in modding
Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.