What annoys you in mafia posts RULESET PAGE 2

[Something_Smart]

Policy lynches (aka not playing to your wincon)

Actually policy lynches are one potential response to other people not playing to their wincon... under this ruleset there should already be no need for policy lynches.

Blindly sheeping townreads or experienced players

I don't think this is bad as long as one is also producing content.

The rest in that post I agree with, maybe you could add a rule that votes will not work until 72 hours into LYLO or something. (Although that's a pain in the ass if there's a mechanical 1v1, so you could maybe say that this rule doesn't apply if the players crossvote.)

Oh and

"This tunneling is probably TvS even though neither player is actually scummy"

If I'm understanding this right, it's calling a pair of people tunneling each other TvS even if you don't scumread either one individually, which I think is valid as a double burden of proficiency argument: even if you think they're town it would require both of them to be wrong on each other.

[Korts]

If a post is specifically referring to something way earlier (i.e. day 1 analysis posted on day 2) you must also reference something that happened more recently.

How would this rule affect replacements doing catch-up analysis?

[Aubrey]

I don't know if this has been said or counts, but I've always been a bit annoyed when people throw out a post that I would need to go and read, but fail to link it.

Look at 55 because blah blah blah blah
Look at 55 because blah blah blah blah

It just makes it easier on the other players to follow what you have to say, instead of forcing them to go and locate it themselves. Same thing when people reference a previous game's title. Just go ahead and link the darn thing. <-- this might be harder with phone posting, but not linking a post is just kinda lazy since all you have to do is highlight a number and click a button.

[implosion]

Might have missed this but do replacements inherit their predecessor's score?

If yes you might have issues replacing a high-scoring slot. If no (either way really) then you could theoretically have issues of people dickishly racking up points and then just replacing out rather than facing comeuppance but that could probably be avoided with a heavy-handed application of WotM.

[SpyreX]

Or if you want to talk about things I hate in a ruleset its replacements existing. Such a dream

[Andrius]

things I hate in a ruleset

Don't forget hydras.

[Thestatusquo]

I think that I will have to make an exception for catch up posts.

Aubrey that's a good one and I'm including it.

Implosion I think such behavior would be deliberately not playing to your win condition and would likely be a list mod issue and not a mod issue. But I think that I plan to treat new players discretely from the players they replace.

Also my last game had 0 replaces because of inactivity and 0 prods. (One force replace for not reading role pm.)

[Tammy]

lolhammers
quicklynches
fake claims
almost all gambits
tearing people down and claiming it's scum hunting

but really I've just had too many games ruined because people think the first four are cool or funny.

[Tammy]

vca

[Gamma Emerald]

vca

is this serious

[Tammy]

vca

is this serious

As the majority of people use it, yeah.

[Tammy]

"You're terrible at mafia..."

Actually mafia in general annoys me right now

[AxleGreaser]

Posting more then 3 times in a row.

prolly better, to specify, In less than X time.
(and or slip in mod discretion)

Problem with 3 in a row.
between 12 midday and 4pm my time on a weekend... I may be the only goddam poster in the thread. (not certain on the time window its about then in my TZ, its what i call the dead zone (for US and EU))
If I have a bunch of content to comment on and thats when I often have time... I shouldn't sign up to play?
If I have 4 different people said stuff to me, that I should respond to I need to combine all 4 if i have actual inquiries id like to make of other people?

This is a general problem with rules. They tend to be, that which I do not do.
Pete seeger once said:

Just remember the rule about rules, brother
What could be right for one could be wrong for the other

That has always seemed clever to me. It was when i was a teenager breaking rules... because duh teenager. But also when I was an adult making the rules.
The rules details may need serious thought.

This does not mean in any sense I think there isn't a problem and really really really really hope you find solution. and even hope this is it.

I believe i perhaps have the same problem, but id describe the problem as this

I know the "air head" : oh silly thought just occurred me, must vomit it in the thread because everything i think is important, poster is annoying/boring.
and i am not sure how to write a rule to stop that.

I am not sure 3 air head thoughts saved up for one post, is a lot more bad 3 airhead thoughts each in their won posts.
My mouse has a scroll button. Is it a mobiles browsing screen space problem?

[Thestatusquo]

Just make one post instead of 3.

[AxleGreaser]

Just make one post instead of 3.

between 12 midday and 4pm my time on a weekend...

Ok then.

[Thestatusquo]

You do not need to make 3 posts in a 4 hour period. If nothing happens besides you posting in thread, there is no new content you werent aware of at the time you make your first post.

[Creature]

There's always the chance of you missing something and later you want to comment on that something.

[Thestatusquo]

Cool. The game thread being easily approachable and readable to everyone else is more important than you wanting to comment on an additional something.

Note it down, comment later. The thread will still be there. By and large these things are not time sensitive.

[Mulch]

lolhammers

Can be used to great effect

[Korts]

what effect

[Plotinus]

the effect of bringing us one step closer to lylo, of course

[callforjudgement]

I've seen multiple games ruined by quickhammers (whether of the accidental variety or the lolhammer variety; I haven't seen the scum-pretending-a-hammer-is-accidental variety but it's only a matter of time).

[mhsmith0]

@CFJ for your viewing pleasure...

Spoiler:

On a reread I may have been wrong on Plot

I'll be honest that I only read the first bit of his Iso when I came in, but there are posts that just ping me hard.

Welcome Ataraxia! How does it feel getting your first scum role PM?

This is a bit too confident for my liking. And it was wrong.
It reads as if they are trying to shake Ataraxia before they can do anything rather than actually having a read there.

Zoki77: Plotinus made good arguments in his favor.

Zoki77's posts

, which read to me as possible Mafia at first,

could truly be more likely produced by someone on the Town team.

I also believe that Plotinus believes Zoki77 is on the Town team. That may not seem like much now, but I think will become more significant as the game unfolds.

Ataraxia, yes, you said that I believe Zoki is town, but you also said that Zoki's posts "could truly be more likely produced by someone on the town team". That lead me to believe that you agree with me about that read. Why do you call that a misrep?

The rest of your reads...I got right? basically? townish and maybe town are the same thing. null and i don't know yet are the same thing.

theslimer3: I get the general impression of

unnatural

restraint. I can elaborate, but it's just a vibe, and I don't think I can associate it with an alignment read, so it doesn't really matter. I just thought I'd note it here.

unnatural is a word that people use when they describe something suspicious. you aren't consciously associating it with an alignment read, no, but it felt like you were leaning towards scum if you were calling it unnatural.

I feel less suspicious of WhemeStar now, but Peaches's activity was much like yours: she appeared to be searching for a scapegoat. Your first post to me was that exactly. You wanted to see me squirm, and use it to your advantage.

This is called scumhunting and it's a town behaviour. I am either doing it because I am town, or I am doing it because I want to look town.

To your other point(s), I have no fear of voting you.

But you're not.

I don't have the time to write a thesis in every post to combat you word for word. I think doing so would be a waste of time, regardless.

I don't expect you to.

But here's the thing. You write three paragraphs but you don't address my biggest point against you: you were trying to get on my good side when you replaced in. Why? And why did that change once I became a viable wagon?

This nitpick on Ataraxia is also bad and maybe I should have read them further before day's end. Timing just sucked, yaknow!

Wheme also switched onto Plot near day's end and may have been taken out as a threat. It seems basic but a basic kill is great in a newbie game because people never expect it of an IC!

VOTE: Plot

This is an early L-1!
Please nobody hammer!

[HolySpiritTurtle]

I've seen multiple games ruined by quickhammers (whether of the accidental variety or the lolhammer variety; I haven't seen the scum-pretending-a-hammer-is-accidental variety but it's only a matter of time).

Hold on let me grab you a link.

EDIT: viewtopic.php?p=5547765#p5547765

[Grendel]

A profile of player thoughts and attributes I find most displeasing

"Anybody scum reading me is automatically scum" (Grossly egocentric play)

"Yo, I just posted to steal the page top lol" (Contless fluff)

"Wall posting always comes from a scum mind set" (Never understood where this comes from, but I can attest that its wrong.)

" Why isn't x player lynched yet? Do you really expect me to have to case out

why they're scummy

? But is so OB why they're scummy! You just look at them and scuminess drips off them like sweat. Its so clear and yet don't you see it? They are just the SCUMMIST THING EVER. Am I not showing enough conviction to convince you of this?!

Don't you know that convictions in lieu of tangible reasons is how you identify scum

?! Now come on and help me lynch the OB!scum!... Okay see, look here, I'm going to quote this post of Player X being scummy. Look at it and how scummy they are. Its completely self explanatory and I don't need to elaborate on it at all... LOL REALLY?! How can you still not be convinced? And no I don't see how that long list of reasons makes player X town. Those town reads are so flimsy that I don't even need to debunk any of those reasons. Come on guys, my convictions are fool proof! FOOL PROOF!
.
.
. So why isn't x player lynched yet?" (Never truly explaining reads)

"You don't agree with me? Well you're just an awful player so idgaf what you think you idiotic clown" (Insulting another player on a personal level)

"Its scummy to have lots of strong town reads" (Nothing wrong with town hunting)

"Well if they aren't scum then they're BAD TOWN who deserves to get lynched" (I just really hate this frame of mind as it usually mean that they do believe that their target could be town, but are justifying why its still the best lynch in their own mind)

But the biggest one is...

"I decided that I don't respect you all enough to complete the game I signed up for.

@Mod replace me

."

(When players sub out just because they are bored, or annoyed, its a huge disservice to the rest of the roster)