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Post Post #25 (ISO) » Tue Oct 31, 2017 3:05 pm

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"That one scum read was a uh... reaction test... yeah" :Shifty:

I usually admit when I think I'm wrong and ask some players who I trust if they agree, how they feel, or even talking it out with the slot in question (assuming scum read to town read transition). Generally opening the issue up for further dissuasion to move things along. If I can move things along then there will be little to no focus on my perceived mistake.
but why?

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Post Post #26 (ISO) » Wed Nov 01, 2017 4:22 pm

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1. Look at the reason of why you were reading someone as scum or town and find 1000 examples of people doing the same in other games.
2. Compute the percentage of times you would have been right.
3. Realize there are no such 1000 examples and whatever reasons you had are not justifiable from a scientific point of view.
4. Realize people are way more confident that they should be in this game.
5. Realize that is what makes this game fun.
6. Have fun.
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Post Post #27 (ISO) » Fri Nov 03, 2017 6:49 am

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In post 24, Quick wrote:
In post 23, Ectomancer wrote:So let's see....you are so attached to being wrong....because that was your state for most of the game you see.....that when given the opportunity to be right...you still cling stubbornly to being wrong...and you need us to help convince you that is wrong...or right? Are you right or wrong? Because you have me so confused now. That just isn't right. Or isn't wrong. Wait, isn't right means wrong, right? Or do I say that, ummm, "Isn't right means wrong, isn't wrong?" Isn't wrong?
I can't even tell if this is Bull Shit :lol:
Well I happen to have a degree in Bull Shit. For a fee I could make an assessment. :nerd:
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Post Post #28 (ISO) » Mon Nov 13, 2017 6:04 am

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In post 0, Quick wrote:You are playing as Town. You've been inaccurately reading someone as Town/Scum all game. You want to read them correctly, but can't bring yourself to do it because it means you were wrong for so much of the game.

What do?

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Post Post #29 (ISO) » Mon Nov 13, 2017 6:06 am

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Real answer:

Explain that my read has changed, give a reason if I have one. Explain that I vote however I want, whenever I want.
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Post Post #30 (ISO) » Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:06 pm

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I think sometimes the pride is somewhat subconscious. What I mean is that there is something pulling you not to change your read when you know you should.
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Post Post #31 (ISO) » Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:52 pm

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honestly the idea that your read wouldn't change naturally as you got more and more information is kind of baffling to me.

like, imagine this scenario.

i ask you to guess how many potatoes i own. you say 20. a reasonable number. but then i show you a picture of me swimming in 20000 potatoes. you think for a while and say "20."

???

like, i don't understand how pride factors in here, honestly. your judgement now with xy information does not mean you were incorrect in your judgement at x information.
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Post Post #32 (ISO) » Mon Nov 13, 2017 6:53 pm

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In post 31, Thestatusquo wrote:i ask you to guess how many potatoes i own. you say 20. a reasonable number. but then i show you a picture of me swimming in 20000 potatoes. you think for a while and say "20."
Confirmation bias would have you say that picture doesn’t prove you own those potatoes or discredit the picture.
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Post Post #33 (ISO) » Mon Nov 13, 2017 7:01 pm

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sure, which seems to have very little to do with my point.
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Post Post #34 (ISO) » Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:54 am

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Yeah, it's better to admit being wrong temporarily than having to be proven wrong.
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Post Post #35 (ISO) » Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:35 pm

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Being wrong is ignorance. Clinging to your ignorance is stupidity. :nerd:
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Post Post #36 (ISO) » Tue Nov 28, 2017 3:59 am

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I think some people here are blind to their own confbias, which is kinda shitty...
https://youtu.be/LRkYiRnRzY0

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Post Post #37 (ISO) » Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:52 am

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In post 36, Quick wrote:people here
People in general
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Post Post #38 (ISO) » Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:52 am

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In post 37, kuribo wrote:
In post 36, Quick wrote:people here
People in general
yeah, that's what I meant, lol.
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Post Post #39 (ISO) » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:06 pm

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You haven't
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played mafia until you've run into someone that's hard headed enough to not even bother to listen to a word you have to say in a game.
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Post Post #40 (ISO) » Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:47 pm

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thats like 30% of the players on this site.
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Post Post #41 (ISO) » Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:56 am

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In post 39, Zachrulez wrote:You haven't
really
played mafia until you've run into someone that's hard headed enough to not even bother to listen to a word you have to say in a game.
Sadly they become a policy lynch over time. Unless they have an amazing record at winning as town you don't let them into LYLO. I am not aware of any instance where this personality trait and such an amazing town win record have ever been paired.
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Post Post #42 (ISO) » Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:45 am

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In post 41, Ectomancer wrote:
In post 39, Zachrulez wrote:You haven't
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played mafia until you've run into someone that's hard headed enough to not even bother to listen to a word you have to say in a game.
Sadly they become a policy lynch over time. Unless they have an amazing record at winning as town you don't let them into LYLO. I am not aware of any instance where this personality trait and such an amazing town win record have ever been paired.
I think this is one of those things that should happen, but doesn't.
https://youtu.be/LRkYiRnRzY0

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Post Post #43 (ISO) » Sat Dec 09, 2017 7:11 am

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In post 42, Quick wrote:
In post 41, Ectomancer wrote:
In post 39, Zachrulez wrote:You haven't
really
played mafia until you've run into someone that's hard headed enough to not even bother to listen to a word you have to say in a game.
Sadly they become a policy lynch over time. Unless they have an amazing record at winning as town you don't let them into LYLO. I am not aware of any instance where this personality trait and such an amazing town win record have ever been paired.
I think this is one of those things that should happen, but doesn't.
Well what happens is that due to the odds of random role assignments we will all naturally over time accrue more roles as town than we will as scum. So to begin going after those types of players as a matter of course becomes scummy behavior in itself for going after an easy target. Even if you don't agree and do try for policy lynches you will then find yourself an easier target and that is no good for anyone's win condition. So they remain in the game, things stay the same except for one thing. We all try our damn best to improve their game. Since we all will draw town roles more often and will be drawing those town roles with those hard headed players that is just the best strategy we can take in order to improve all of our town records. And isn't that a better trophy? To have a better town win record than scum win record? Sure it is more work for us. But if you train up those hard headed players they are actually the best at training up the next batch of hard headed players.
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