Question regarding true victory/mafia parity

[FvrVain1]

What happens in the following scenario?
(This was a role madness game)
There was a town doctor (self saving allowed, consecutive night saving allowed) with a mafia godfather and another townie alive at F3.
The doctor had a special ability which says:
You may guess a player to be lynched the next day, or guess no lynch, if you guess correctly, you get a 1-shot random ability.
The mafia godfather and the doctor proceeds to no lynch. The mafia godfather kills the other townie, while the doctor self-saved.
So this leaves the mafia godfather and the doctor alive at the end of the game.
In the mafia wincon, it says to eliminate all town.

(I was the town doc, the mod apparently endgamed me)
Everyone in the game is saying thats not how the mechanics work, including the mafia members.

[mhsmith0]

"Everyone else" is almost certainly correct.

Typically mafia wincon is:
Parity is achieved or impossible to prevent
Eliminating all townies is achieved or impossible to prevent

In the situation you described, elimination of all townies (eventually) was impossible to prevent. Even if you had, say, a 1-shot vig ability, then unless the game allowed you to doc AND use the 1-shot simultaneously (which would be the epitome of awful design if you can do that AND self-heal indefinitely), scum could shoot you and just have everyone die and therefore win per their wincon.

Probably the question remains of why you'd allow a no lynch in LYLO to go through unless you had been VERY certain of the endgame mechanics; if the mod had misled you about how taht works, that's on the mod. If you just guessed wrong, that's on you.

[FvrVain1]

the game does allow me to use both actions simultaneously

[mhsmith0]

In that case you vaguely sort of have an appeal basis, except that you pretty much ALWAYS should have checked with the game host before you allowed no lynch in LYLO.

[Zachrulez]

How can you possibly win as town in a 1-1 endgame if it's impossible to vig the last scum? (Assuming that's the ability you even get.) The no lynch baffles me in this situation.

[Creature]

If a faction will obviously just refuse to lynch one of themselves, then it's obviously that faction's win.

[Toto]

Depending on the set of random one-shot abilities to choose from it could be a draw, town, or mafia win.

[Zachrulez]

The only thing that can town win in that situation is a vig shot and only if the godfather isn't kill immune. It's just baffling to put the game on the line for that rather than just trying to lynch the scum in lylo.

[Toto]

Question is about mechanics. But I agree that would have been safer if mechanics were not clear.

[wavemode]

The usual mafia wincon is "You win if the mafia make up at least 50% of all living players." That's why you were endgamed. Roles and abilities don't matter at that point.

Link to this game?

[ironstove]

You should have won the game. If you no-lynch + self target and call no lynch you will eventually get a 1-shot ability that can kill the godfather, while the godfather can literally do nothing.

That was a town win, for sure. Mod was a complete fool to end-game you. The guy literally used a game design he/she doesn't fully understand. What a fucking jokes LOL.

[Zachrulez]

Question is about mechanics. But I agree that would have been safer if mechanics were not clear.

I ask the questions inside the questions.

I suppose the mindset of trying to win the game through night actions is how one reaches the point of asking mechanic questions of why they didn't win when they shouldn't really have won. If you're counting on a bad lylo setup to save you after you screw up lylo, you are probably playing in a terminally busted game.