Your voting system. What??

[Sunlit Diamond]

Alternatively I hear there's a bridge lacking an under-dwelling resident in the next town over.

[Toto]

I’m am very sorry your brain can not wrap itself around simple concepts like game mechanichs.

Plurality lynches are a workaround when people in a group not being able to reach a majority decision.

Making group decisions can take a lot of time and participation that not every mafia enthusiast will have to spare.

Therefore more time in day phases *allows* the group to be more likely to agree on a majority lynch. Which in the opinion of many people in this forum is better to half-arsed decisions (aka plurality lynches)

As you may (but probably not) be able to see there is a tradeoff between the size of the audience that you will appeal to and the method you choose.

You can play (using your imagination) with different settings of day cycle length, group decision robustness and target audience and see for your self. It may take you a long time and effort to do so.

Disclaimer: Im speaking on my behalf and Im not an official representative of this forum but you are kind of an ass and you deserve another one to answer your queries (that would be me)

[Lord Gurgi]

No. I'm not trying to make anyone change.

I'm merely puzzled, and trying to understand why your default approach is such a pile of shit.

Definitively, this is not a "default" approach. Our method of play is a decision that has been made consciously and is superior to yours. Now keep in mind, people here have been playing mafia on this site for more years than you've played games of mafia (and I would guess for more years than you've been alive, too). Not just a few, but many people. You have been informed not only that your approach has been tried, but that it has been found wanting. You are out of your element.

I would suggest to you that you should either play games on this site and see how it suits you, or simply return to where you were previously playing.

[Ranmaru]

Relying on plurality is lazy.

[McMenno]

JT, do you thoroughly enjoy confusing your enemies through use of "Mind Games"?

[Thestatusquo]

lmao. i meade that comparison last night in chat.

[callforjudgement]

"Plurality lynch at deadline", the voting system you describe, makes sense for a shorter day phase. When you have long deadlines, though, you want to be able to end the day early. (If you disagree, this game should probably change your mind. I'm not sure whether it was a pure joke, an attempt to make a point, or performance art, but it was the sort of idea that made me volunteer as backup mod just to make sure the game wouldn't be abandoned early.)

I'm personally dubious about the merits of a hammer-based system for ending a day early (even though it's standard here); it requires a decent amount of discipline from the players and not everyone has that. Normally I favour "hammer delay" systems in which a day ends as a consequence of a player having had a majority for a set length of time (say 24 or 48 hours), meaning that a miscounted vote won't be the end of the world, but I changed that system for use on this site.

[kuribo]

it requires a decent amount of discipline from the players and not everyone has that.

Players who are afraid to murder their enemies the nanosecond those enemies reach L-1 are timid, mewling little whelps who will be the first to be eaten when the cold season falls.

Passive mafia players, like passive lovers, tend to sit back and let others do the dirty work. They tend to be weak, overly analytical, and don’t want the responsibility that comes with wanton murder.

Take a stand. Let the bloodlust of your mafiascum ancestors flow through you. Become drunk with the power of life and death, then swing that hammer to show how strong your convictions are.

[Thestatusquo]

Idk I think this site has way more of a problem with too many people trying to lead the town and not accepting anyone elses reads than the opposite.

[kuribo]

Idk I think this site has way more of a problem with too many people trying to lead the town and not accepting anyone elses reads than the opposite.

Realtalk though, I definitely agree on this front. As players have regrettably come to rely more on meta, you see a lot of head butting about who can read X better.

[mhsmith0]

It's especially amusing to see "omg you'd totally townread me if you were town", even more so when directed at players who aren't even competent as town

[kuribo]

It's especially amusing to see "omg you'd totally townread me if you were town", even more so when directed at players who aren't even competent as town

I haaaaaaaate that. When someone isn’t town reading me and should be, I usually just assume they can’t read me as well as they think, or that they’re trying to draw me into a fight. I’m considered by a lot of people to be hard to read, and only a handful of people can claim to have any measure of success at doing so. (Katsuki and pirate mollie come most immediately to mind. Probably mastina too) And for the drawing me into a fight, I feel like most people think I’m easier to read when I’m arguing with them.

[mhsmith0]

Idk I think this site has way more of a problem with too many people trying to lead the town and not accepting anyone elses reads than the opposite.

Realtalk though, I definitely agree on this front. As players have regrettably come to rely more on meta, you see a lot of head butting about who can read X better.

It's actually kind of funny that I have the exact opposite problem, and tend to be far too passive most of the time as town, even when my reads are actually quite good (on the whole, I'm far from perfect at reads but am overall pretty solidly >rand I think). Something I keep trying to work on but for whatever reason (probably at least somewhat due to my own personality) it often doesn't really take *shrugs*

[Thestatusquo]

It's especially amusing to see "omg you'd totally townread me if you were town", even more so when directed at players who aren't even competent as town

I haaaaaaaate that. When someone isn’t town reading me and should be, I usually just assume they can’t read me as well as they think, or that they’re trying to draw me into a fight. I’m considered by a lot of people to be hard to read, and only a handful of people can claim to have any measure of success at doing so. (Katsuki and pirate mollie come most immediately to mind. Probably mastina too) And for the drawing me into a fight, I feel like most people think I’m easier to read when I’m arguing with them.

I think the actual truth here is also an issue on the site and underlies a real problem, which is that maybe you're just not very good at looking town? People seem to be completely unwilling to consider the possibility that perhaps the reason they are being scum read is that they are playing like scum would. Some players even go so far as to play more scummy as town in order to boost scum win rate.

It's a huge issue.

[kuribo]

It's especially amusing to see "omg you'd totally townread me if you were town", even more so when directed at players who aren't even competent as town

I haaaaaaaate that. When someone isn’t town reading me and should be, I usually just assume they can’t read me as well as they think, or that they’re trying to draw me into a fight. I’m considered by a lot of people to be hard to read, and only a handful of people can claim to have any measure of success at doing so. (Katsuki and pirate mollie come most immediately to mind. Probably mastina too) And for the drawing me into a fight, I feel like most people think I’m easier to read when I’m arguing with them.

I think the actual truth here is also an issue on the site and underlies a real problem, which is that maybe you're just not very good at looking town? People seem to be completely unwilling to consider the possibility that perhaps the reason they are being scum read is that they are playing like scum would. Some players even go so far as to play more scummy as town in order to boost scum win rate.

It's a huge issue.

If I was bad at looking town, I'd have been mislynched more than twice in ten years and I'd have a way worse scum win rate. My problem is that I'm so good at looking town that sometimes people don't trust it since they've seen me look incredibly town while murdering them at night.

[callforjudgement]

Sometimes I scumread people for townreading me when they logically should, given the rest of their reads and actions, be scumreading me if they're town.

And yes, there definitely is a "reverse burden of proficiency" problem where if a person's been proven to be sufficiently good at looking town when they're actually scum, nobody's willing to strongly townread them ever again.

[kuribo]

Sometimes I scumread people for townreading me when they logically should, given the rest of their reads and actions, be scumreading me if they're town.

And yes, there definitely is a "reverse burden of proficiency" problem where if a person's been proven to be sufficiently good at looking town when they're actually scum, nobody's willing to strongly townread them ever again.

You can only dance on the corpses of those you led for so long before people stop following you.


I can't tell you how many times I've seen someone townreading me, only for someone who's played with me before to go, "Yeah but the last time I played with kuribo..." hell, my last game, I vigged my own scum buddy and coasted on the town cred from that. How many times do you think I'll ever get away with that now? At least to people who were in that game.

And it's kind of insane because I've seen people scum read me for being too hostile, as well as for being too passive, so it kind of depends on the player.

[yessiree]

why do they speak german in Berlin but french in Paris? I just don't get it!