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Post Post #50 (ISO) » Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:35 am

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Also as a side note.
I hate it when my players prod me for a votecount while I am asleep and/or in class.
And like, I understand their needs and I love them.
It's just like, if I am asleep, of course I am not going to be able to bring a votecount. Especially if I have to go through 30 pages. Which, has happened before. Like, I feel bad for FA who had to go through 60 pages in a 32p game just to be fully caught up and do a VC in the rematch of The Real Folk Blues.
But when I wake up, the first thing I try to do if I'm not immediately busy with something, is to do a votecount.
And when I get a ping from someone to do a votecount while I am asleep, it makes me feel like my players don't trust me to provide a vc. And that kind of feeling just hurts me.

Also (I don't really think this has ever happened to me though), I usually have a vc somewhat done before class. So while I'm in class, I should be able to hope that that vc is enough to last my players 3 hours. So it kinda just annoys me if someone were to ping me for a vc while I am in class because I feel powerless to provide one.

Basicly why I hate being prodded for votecounts is
  • It makes me feel like as a mod you don't trust me to deliver a prompt vc whenever I can.
  • I'm not chained to my computer, and as a result, pinging me for a vc when I can't provide one makes me feel powerless as a mod.
  • I may have to read through 30 pages given the current site meta just to provided a vc. So seeing a ping in the middle of those 30 pages just looks like a huge fuck you sign.
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Post Post #51 (ISO) » Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:38 am

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In post 50, Alisae wrote:Also as a side note.
I hate it when my players prod me for a votecount while I am asleep and/or in class.
And like, I understand their needs and I love them.
It's just like, if I am asleep, of course I am not going to be able to bring a votecount. Especially if I have to go through 30 pages. Which, has happened before. Like, I feel bad for FA who had to go through 60 pages in a 32p game just to be fully caught up and do a VC in the rematch of The Real Folk Blues.
But when I wake up, the first thing I try to do if I'm not immediately busy with something, is to do a votecount.
And when I get a ping from someone to do a votecount while I am asleep, it makes me feel like my players don't trust me to provide a vc. And that kind of feeling just hurts me.

Also (I don't really think this has ever happened to me though), I usually have a vc somewhat done before class. So while I'm in class, I should be able to hope that that vc is enough to last my players 3 hours. So it kinda just annoys me if someone were to ping me for a vc while I am in class because I feel powerless to provide one.

Basicly why I hate being prodded for votecounts is
  • It makes me feel like as a mod you don't trust me to deliver a prompt vc whenever I can.
  • I'm not chained to my computer, and as a result, pinging me for a vc when I can provide one makes me feel powerless as a mod.
  • I may have to read through 30 pages given the current site meta just to provided a vc. So seeing a ping in the middle of those 30 pages just looks like a huge fuck you sign.
Perhaps have in your signature(or the opening posts of the game) the times you generally won't be available and express this sentiment there, so people don't bug you. Also, immediately making a placeholder post saying something like VC incoming as soon as i catch up on x pages will let people who are actively there know that a VC is incoming, so they won't bother you while you're catching up.

I completely appreciate your feelings on the matter, I just think some clearer communication will keep players who are overzealous from bugging you about things you're already doing/doing your best to do.
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Post Post #52 (ISO) » Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:43 am

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Varsoon now you're tempting me to make a setup that breaks everything that you posted here.
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Post Post #53 (ISO) » Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:46 am

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Cerby that's actually not a bad idea thank you.
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Post Post #54 (ISO) » Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:56 am

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Also is it just me, or do others hate it when the mod talks about themselves in third person like
"The mod will be V/LA and as such may not be able to provide as frequent vcs"
or
"The mod got addicted to PSO2 and as a result may not be able to provide a vc as frequently because lolmmo stuff."

I only do it with my prods because my c/p for my prods is cute, and even then I say "Alisaes" because its cute.

Like, just be personal with your players and be yourself, because garsh darn it people like you for who you are (hopefully).
Like, if I said "Hey, I'm going on a vacation for 2 weeks and someone will provide vcs for me while I'm gone. I'll try to answer anything I can but I'm only limited to mobile and don't even know if I'll have a stable connection." I feel like that that connects me more to my players if I'm addressing them on that level.
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Post Post #55 (ISO) » Thu Feb 08, 2018 7:08 am

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In post 54, Alisae wrote:Also is it just me, or do others hate it when the mod talks about themselves in third person like
"The mod will be V/LA and as such may not be able to provide as frequent vcs"
or
"The mod got addicted to PSO2 and as a result may not be able to provide a vc as frequently because lolmmo stuff."

I only do it with my prods because my c/p for my prods is cute, and even then I say "Alisaes" because its cute.

Like, just be personal with your players and be yourself, because garsh darn it people like you for who you are (hopefully).
Like, if I said "Hey, I'm going on a vacation for 2 weeks and someone will provide vcs for me while I'm gone. I'll try to answer anything I can but I'm only limited to mobile and don't even know if I'll have a stable connection." I feel like that that connects me more to my players if I'm addressing them on that level.
I've never seen a mod do what you just described.

It does sound terrible.
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Post Post #56 (ISO) » Thu Feb 08, 2018 7:14 am

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Mods aren't people.
They are just tools to provide me with mafia games.
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Post Post #57 (ISO) » Thu Feb 08, 2018 8:17 am

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In post 52, GuyInFreezer wrote:Varsoon now you're tempting me to make a setup that breaks everything that you posted here.
...I'd play it.
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Post Post #58 (ISO) » Thu Feb 08, 2018 8:48 am

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I use automated tools to let people provide themselves with a VC when I can’t. :)
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Post Post #59 (ISO) » Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:31 am

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In post 54, Alisae wrote:Also is it just me, or do others hate it when the mod talks about themselves in third person like
"The mod will be V/LA and as such may not be able to provide as frequent vcs"
or
"The mod got addicted to PSO2 and as a result may not be able to provide a vc as frequently because lolmmo stuff."

I only do it with my prods because my c/p for my prods is cute, and even then I say "Alisaes" because its cute.

Like, just be personal with your players and be yourself, because garsh darn it people like you for who you are (hopefully).
Like, if I said "Hey, I'm going on a vacation for 2 weeks and someone will provide vcs for me while I'm gone. I'll try to answer anything I can but I'm only limited to mobile and don't even know if I'll have a stable connection." I feel like that that connects me more to my players if I'm addressing them on that level.
I wanna try speaking this way as a player.
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Post Post #60 (ISO) » Fri Feb 09, 2018 6:21 am

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In post 38, Varsoon wrote:And if we take it waaay waaay back to what's technically the first theme game I ran (although I did run a series of 'themed' 5p Vengeful games, but those didn't really have unique rolecards), here's something from Varsoon Mafia:

Spoiler: THE CAT ON VARSOON'S HEAD
Hello, Caledfwitch. Welcome to Varsoon Mafia.
You are
The Cat on Varsoon's Head
, aligned with
Village Idiots
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Image
You have the
Power
of
Deception
:
You are immune to all abilities as people mistakenly target a pompadour that they did not realize is actually a cat.

You win when the
Village Idiots
are the only faction with living members in the game.
You lose when the
Village Idiots
faction is wiped out or if there is nothing that can keep them from all dying.
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Post Post #61 (ISO) » Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:56 am

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lol I think someone noted it in a game and I was like "WHOAH THAAT'S AMAZING"
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Post Post #62 (ISO) » Wed Feb 28, 2018 5:35 am

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If I wanted to start dipping my hand into modding, how would I start writing? Should I just PM myself the info? Is it possible to get a PT? What do people usually do?
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Post Post #63 (ISO) » Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:10 am

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In post 62, Vaxkiller wrote:If I wanted to start dipping my hand into modding, how would I start writing? Should I just PM myself the info? Is it possible to get a PT? What do people usually do?
With the games I've been involved with developing(none of which actually exist yet) we've used google documents and such to coordinate input into the conversation. I imagine you can do the same for a game you're working on yourself. ^^

Perhaps some of the awesome mods have their own methodology for keeping everything organized for their own games though.
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Post Post #64 (ISO) » Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:58 am

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You should probably have a mod PT. Among other things, that lets you give access to a listmod so that the game can be recovered if you have to take an extended V/LA for some reason. You can then make the PT public when the game's over to give the players an accurate record of everything that happened (which is something that they often care about, because Mafia games typically have a lot of hidden information). I think that most listmods are happy to create PTs for use by moderators planning a game (or you could just find a backup mod or reviewer who can create one for you; if it's a Closed game, you'll need a reviewer anyway, and if it's an Open, there's not much point in taking notes until the playerlist has been locked in and you'll have PT powers at that point).

Here's an example of a mod PT for a simple Open. I did the role randomization using dice tags in the PT, but some mods prefer random.org.
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Post Post #65 (ISO) » Wed Feb 28, 2018 7:42 am

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In post 62, Vaxkiller wrote:If I wanted to start dipping my hand into modding, how would I start writing? Should I just PM myself the info? Is it possible to get a PT? What do people usually do?
I always make a Mod PT and a Setup PT. While I take notes for myself in document programs, I also make sure to have the entire setup and all actions I've received to be in a place that I can share it with players in post-game. Also, as callforjudgement wrote, you'll want to have all of that just in case something does come up and you need a backup mod or someone to continue the game for you.

When you're modding, if you DON'T have the ability to create threads and PTs, just PM a listmod asking for what you need. I've had permissions for awhile now, so I just create the PTs I need, which is very helpful since I tend to make several for every game I run. I usually end up with a Setup PT, Mod PT, PTs for any hydras in my game, Dead Thread, Spectator Thread, Neighborhood PTs, etc.

The cool thing about using a PT instead of just working only in a document file is that you can play with your formatting and see how it'd actually look on-site/on-screen. As I said, I always have my first few pages ready to go in a PT, so I can just copy and paste them into the game thread. It's useful to be able to look at what your opening posts and VC will actually look like on a compute and phone screen, for the sake of having appealing formatting.
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Post Post #66 (ISO) » Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:29 am

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Thanks guys!
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Post Post #67 (ISO) » Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:08 am

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In post 51, Cerberus v666 wrote:
In post 50, Alisae wrote:Also as a side note.
I hate it when my players prod me for a votecount while I am asleep and/or in class.
And like, I understand their needs and I love them.
It's just like, if I am asleep, of course I am not going to be able to bring a votecount. Especially if I have to go through 30 pages. Which, has happened before. Like, I feel bad for FA who had to go through 60 pages in a 32p game just to be fully caught up and do a VC in the rematch of The Real Folk Blues.
But when I wake up, the first thing I try to do if I'm not immediately busy with something, is to do a votecount.
And when I get a ping from someone to do a votecount while I am asleep, it makes me feel like my players don't trust me to provide a vc. And that kind of feeling just hurts me.

Also (I don't really think this has ever happened to me though), I usually have a vc somewhat done before class. So while I'm in class, I should be able to hope that that vc is enough to last my players 3 hours. So it kinda just annoys me if someone were to ping me for a vc while I am in class because I feel powerless to provide one.

Basicly why I hate being prodded for votecounts is
  • It makes me feel like as a mod you don't trust me to deliver a prompt vc whenever I can.
  • I'm not chained to my computer, and as a result, pinging me for a vc when I can provide one makes me feel powerless as a mod.
  • I may have to read through 30 pages given the current site meta just to provided a vc. So seeing a ping in the middle of those 30 pages just looks like a huge fuck you sign.
Perhaps have in your signature(or the opening posts of the game) the times you generally won't be available and express this sentiment there, so people don't bug you. Also, immediately making a placeholder post saying something like VC incoming as soon as i catch up on x pages will let people who are actively there know that a VC is incoming, so they won't bother you while you're catching up.

I completely appreciate your feelings on the matter, I just think some clearer communication will keep players who are overzealous from bugging you about things you're already doing/doing your best to do.
I just find giving people a tool to do it themselves prevents that.
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Post Post #68 (ISO) » Fri Mar 02, 2018 9:55 am

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If I mod a huge game I won't go in without something to help with votes
But so far my plans are generally around 20p games at most
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Post Post #69 (ISO) » Mon May 14, 2018 8:42 am

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In post 5, beeboy wrote:I am a stupid loser who has nothing of value to add to this thread but I want to post in it anyway.
This is actually the optimal egopost.
I should use this from now on.
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Post Post #70 (ISO) » Tue May 15, 2018 6:27 am

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geez even this thread's op is well-formatted
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