The Third Party debacle.

[JaydragonKing]

Alright guys, I want a legitimate discussion on the roles classified as "Third Party" and what they actually do around here.

Question One: What effects Third Parties could have if even one of them is in your game?

Question Two: If we could have one more third party be legal in Normal Games, which would it be?

Question Three: is there a preferred or hated type of Third Party site wide?

Question Four: Probably should have been one, but your favorite Third Party?

[Alisae]

1. Multiball is a thing that is caused by third parties and they can die. Also SK in general is really stressful to play.
2. No Third Parties.
3. Yeah I prefer no Third Parties.
4. None of them.

[JaydragonKing]

... That's not really contributing to how we can enjoy or improve Third Parties. And while Multiball is a related topic, I'm talking in a broad sense about ALL the Third Parties, not having two separate scum teams.

[Srceenplay]

I seen that coming

[Alisae]

What's the difference?

[JaydragonKing]

What's the difference?

Your asking me the difference between Third Party and Multiball? Because considering you've been here a year longer I assume you know that.

Let me give other examples then that aren't Serial Killer: You have a Jester, a Lyncher/Executioner, a Survivor with specfic perks, and many ways to combine them into other types such as the Witch from Town of Salem, who wins when all the town are dead and wins with everyone else.

[Alisae]

I think you're underestimating my intelligence.

[JaydragonKing]

I think you're underestimating my intelligence.

Wouldn't the situation of me assuming you know but actually don't actually lead me to overestimate your intelligence instead?

[Ellibereth]

I think you're underestimating my intelligence.

[Srceenplay]

1)Depends on game.

2)Amnesiac. Takes over a flipped role of their choice.

3)ehh

4)Auditor. Convert people to cits or goons.

[Alisae]

My point is third parties are terrible
The end

[beeboy]

I enjoy Jesters in open micros tbh.
That's about it in terms of stuff I like, SKs are kinda awful?
Lynchers are awful in closed setups, in open setups I think they would be ok but I am not sure?


pedit: Amni is pretty cool I forgot about that.

[JaydragonKing]

Forgetting about the Amnesiac. Ironic, huh?

[beeboy]

This thread has inspired me to mod a game that will not fill.

edit: viewtopic.php?p=9944884#p9944884 \o/

[Srceenplay]

Lol

[Gamma Emerald]

1. Multiball is a thing that is caused by third parties and they can die. Also SK in general is really stressful to play.
2. No Third Parties.
3. Yeah I prefer no Third Parties.
4. None of them.

Feel this is rather closed minded. There are MANY more 3ps than just SK, it's just that no one is creative enough to make or use one

[Ranmaru]

I don't wanna be my my self and also be a bad guy at the same time

[Something_Smart]

I think there should be more 3P's that are explicitly designed to help town. The idea being that their interests align in general with the town's, but they can still have hidden agendas.

Two examples that come to mind.

[Fro99er]

I think there should be more 3P's that are explicitly designed to help town. The idea being that their interests align in general with the town's, but they can still have hidden agendas.

Two examples that come to mind.

That would never fly in a normal game, but definitely for themes

I love games with 3p, and I really enjoy playing 3p even though I hate playing as scum

[Fro99er]

My point is third parties are terrible
The end

Then don’t mod or join those games sib <3

[Alisae]

1. Multiball is a thing that is caused by third parties and they can die. Also SK in general is really stressful to play.
2. No Third Parties.
3. Yeah I prefer no Third Parties.
4. None of them.

Feel this is rather closed minded. There are MANY more 3ps than just SK, it's just that no one is creative enough to make or use one

Yeah because my mindset is really conservative when it comes to this
Most third parties are poorly designed, and/or throw a wrench at how mafia is played.

[Gamma Emerald]

If the game is balanced around it it works
I also like SK from a design standpoint in larger games

[Alisae]

You can't balance the stress, swing, and anxiety that comes from being and playing SK.
If a non-bulletproof SK to someone like RC. He's going to get shot.
Give SK to Ari. He's going to get lynched.

[GuyInFreezer]

Alright guys, I want a legitimate discussion on the roles classified as "Third Party" and what they actually do around here.

Question One: What effects Third Parties could have if even one of them is in your game?

Question Two: If we could have one more third party be legal in Normal Games, which would it be?

Question Three: is there a preferred or hated type of Third Party site wide?

Question Four: Probably should have been one, but your favorite Third Party?

1. In a smaller game, third party imposes significant threat to mafia, even more so when the number of mafia members take a hit to place a third party instead. In a larger game, third party receives significant disadvantages, because the longer they have to survive, the harder the game becomes to them.

2. I think SK is just fine, because non-killing third party is very painful to play with, unless that third party has a non-standard win condition that does not require him to survive until the endgame. And with normal, adding that non-standard win condition is probably impossible.

3. I think it's generally the "unfun one to play" that people hate.

4. You can guess mine.

[Mathdino]

Question One: What effects Third Parties could have if even one of them is in your game?

Question Two: If we could have one more third party be legal in Normal Games, which would it be?

Question Three: is there a preferred or hated type of Third Party site wide?

Question Four: Probably should have been one, but your favorite Third Party?

1. Third parties aren't necessarily unbalanced so much as they are extremely swingy, and arguably results in not actually playing mafia. Mafia is about an informed minority vs an uninformed majority. SKs are uninformed and don't form associations. They play like town that doesn't wanna get shot.

2. Maybe survivor? I'm sure this has been discussed already. Survivors are a liability. Not helpful enough to get shot, and always ready to stick a knife in town's back.

3. They're mostly disliked. People already went over why. Some theme game mods have some really interesting third parties though. Varsoon is an easy example.

4. I like Lyncher. Executioner on Town of Salem and elsewhere. Fun low-effort/tension role to play.

Also amnesiac is a horrible role for MafiaScum because of how swingy it can make the game. They basically decide it.