In post 23, mastina wrote:I don't exactly disagree, though I would say that the more extreme the swing, the more likely you are to have players rant in the postgame and/or feel cheated and multiball setups inherently have more swing than a comparable singleball game.
By kill count it's almost as similar as a game with a vig or a game with a SK.
The only difference is that "SK" can survive more than 1 lynch.
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Swing isn't a problem
but don't do asymmetric scum ever, jungle games are 67% ass and I haven't played anarchy on forum yet
also I like the announce multiball thing, a game was sunk for town because it wasn't clear there was a one-man scum faction that wasn't SK (again why you don't do asymmetric)
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It's actually relatively easy to balnce multiball since in terms of win odds...
50-25-25 is often considered acceptable
33-33-33 is often considered acceptable
So as long as you're not massively screwing over one wolf faction compared ot the other (which, unfortunately, IS a thing that people do for various reasons), then it's just a question of balancing town's powers and numbers against the scum ones. And multiple competing scum factions naturally have a small anti-swing aspect in that scum teams have something of an incentive to shoot at whoever opposing faction is currently strongest (i.e. a town trainwreck will eventually see scum teams trying to find/shoot each other, and town rofltomps will see scum teams trying NOT to shoot other scum)
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I'm with everyone else saying don't run multiball, but here's some actual ways to mitigate swing:
Break up PRs into component parts i.e.. instead of having a universal Doctor, have an anti-Mafia Doctor and an anti-Wolf Doctor. If your set-up is a little zanier, you can even have one upgrade to a universal Doctor if the other dies. For Scum, you can turn more abilities into factional abilities so one faction doesn't get hosed if its best PR dies N1, turn a Goon into a backup, etc.
Include anti-swing mechanics. This can be either explicit. like Doctor gets motivated if at least two Town died last Night, Scum get a 1-shot power every time a scummate is NKed, etc. or slightly less obvious. You could, for example, have the Wolf factional NK be Odd and the Mafia factional NK be Even so long as the other team has surviving members, as bringing the NK density of the game down should reduce swing. You can also allow Town to target one faction specifically - an investigative that chooses each Night whether it wants to receive Mafia/Not Mafia or Wolf/Not Wolf, a Town Roleblocker that doesn't function on a scumteam if it has fewer members than the other scumteam, etc.
If you're willing to be creative with the set-up, you can find a lot of ways to bring the swing factor down and make multiball less terrible. It'll still be bad, but less so.
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