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Post Post #125 (ISO) » Sat Apr 14, 2018 12:43 pm

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awards aren't for the recipients
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Post Post #126 (ISO) » Sat Apr 14, 2018 1:26 pm

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They should be
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Post Post #127 (ISO) » Sat Apr 14, 2018 4:32 pm

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strongly disagree
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Post Post #128 (ISO) » Sat Apr 14, 2018 4:42 pm

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In post 125, RadiantCowbells wrote:awards aren't for the recipients
after asking for clearification from raybells I agree with this.
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Post Post #129 (ISO) » Sat Apr 14, 2018 4:52 pm

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Was it the thing about "they are 4 the site and awards should be to help promote the site." I mean, a little, yeah, but awards should also be a badge of honor for the winner though they are currently a bit of a joke.
Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

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Post Post #130 (ISO) » Sat Apr 14, 2018 4:53 pm

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awards don't exist for the people who receive the awards
like paragon doesn't exist so that someone can brag about being paragon
it exists so that everyone else has someone that they can look up to and learn from
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Post Post #131 (ISO) » Sat Apr 14, 2018 6:50 pm

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the problem is not enough judges, but the reason there are no judges is because the whole thing is generally ignored and not emphasized. The awards could mean something huge, but they don't because its a feedback loop. Why would anyone want to seriously judge awards that aren't properly taken care of?

I don't think we need more awards necessarily, we need to make the system more encouraging. It should feel incredible to win, be nominated, etc.
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Post Post #132 (ISO) » Sat Apr 14, 2018 6:50 pm

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In post 130, RadiantCowbells wrote:
awards don't exist for the people who receive the awards
like paragon doesn't exist so that someone can brag about being paragon
it exists so that everyone else has someone that they can look up to and learn from
this.

its to celebrate mafia, and right now it seems like its run ashamed of mafia.
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Post Post #133 (ISO) » Sat Apr 14, 2018 11:58 pm

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I find the idea vry overly smarmy tbh. When we tell someone “good job”, it’s not to build some sort of incentive system for everyone around to follow, and it shouldn’t be. We should celebrate skillful and helpful play for its own sake.
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Post Post #134 (ISO) » Sun Apr 15, 2018 6:21 am

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Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

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Post Post #135 (ISO) » Sun Apr 15, 2018 7:29 am

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Agreed with Psyche. The players that win that, must be the role models people would look up to, not the reward they receive.
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Post Post #136 (ISO) » Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:45 am

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you know i come out of this unsure who i agree or disagree with and who agrees or disagrees with me
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Post Post #137 (ISO) » Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:29 am

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In post 86, Tammy wrote:Eh I think the banner issue for the best town team was misguided. Recognizing a town that against the odds had enough members who were able to come together to eliminate scum and win, sometimes perfectly, seems more important for the site than getting concerned that lurkers, who know they were carried 90% of the time, getting a banner.
*something something the people in charge of the awards take them way too seriously*
Having that many banners floating around for what basically amounts to "congratulations on getting a town role PM while X, Y, and Z were your alignment" devalues the Scummies all around, so the award has got to go.
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Post Post #138 (ISO) » Sun Apr 15, 2018 11:54 am

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If there's a bad player on a sports team be sure that they do not get a superbowl ring, a world series ring or whatever they get in the NBA finals"
Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

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Post Post #139 (ISO) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 10:31 am

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In post 138, Nero Cain wrote:If there's a bad player on a sports team be sure that they do not get a superbowl ring, a world series ring or whatever they get in the NBA finals"
Basketball ring, I believe it is called.
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Post Post #140 (ISO) » Wed Apr 18, 2018 4:35 am

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Sorry, this seems like a super serious thread that I'm definitely not going to finish reading, but
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