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Gunsmiths are clearly intended to be a special kind of flavor cop.
Gunsmith gets different results on Follower vs. Rolecop even though those roles are highly similar.
It's not a mechanics based role, it fails on serial killers not for balance reasons but because of the flavor of knife murders.
I changed the wiki this seems like a very clear oversight from PT cop being the most recently created cop and being newer than gunsmith."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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This still seems to be the usual thread for general questions about Normal rules, so here's a general question.
If a Traffic Analyst targets a Night 2 Mailman on Night 1, or an X-Shot Mailman who has used all their shots, my understanding is they should get a negative result. Is this understanding correct?“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs- Gypyx
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i'd say thatIn post 605, Umlaut wrote:This still seems to be the usual thread for general questions about Normal rules, so here's a general question.
If a Traffic Analyst targets a Night 2 Mailman on Night 1, or an X-Shot Mailman who has used all their shots, my understanding is they should get a negative result. Is this understanding correct?
night 2 : positive, as he still posesses the ability to mail, just that he can't do it yet
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p sure that's right"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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I feel like multiball / serial killer change the game's expectations a lot and should probably be something that is declared on signups (standard alignment, multiball, serial killer, or multiball with serial killer)
bear in mind I'd usually consider something that changes the game's expectations a lot not Normal but I think Normal Multiball is a valid type of game.time will end- Gypyx
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when was the last normal multiball?White Flag : Carebear Edition is in signups ! (10/13) sign up if you want a low pressure, high friendliness game !
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Also, what is NM doing? Worst play I’ve ever seen.I can't remember the last N_M post that wasn't bland, unimaginative and lame. Some shitposters are at least somewhat funny. You are the epitomy of the type of poster that nobody would miss if you were to suddenly disappear. You never add anything of value.I'm guessing you haven't read the game and probably never will? Why even sign up to play?- mastina
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It should probably be a mod call imo not a site call.- Ythan
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I agree it's something that should always be unambiguous. I don't know if the best way to do that is with a standard rather than something like a strong suggestion/requirement that it be listed one way or the other in rulesets. It's not something that's typically particularly high-stakes in the sense that a rules misinterpretation will horribly warp the outcome of a game (since a no-lim is almost never going to be followed by the game ending in night). I can potentially be convinced though.- TemporalLich
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A no-lim in a 4p MeLo (which the 50% issue matters the most - as it is even and low) would require a bad Vigilante shot to result in the game ending in Night.
Scum Vigilante isn't normal, so this would usually be the result of the Town Vig being overconfident.
A no-lim in a 4p Dilemma (possible in a Large game) usually will end in Night, allowing 50% to no-lim would allow both Townies to no-lim without needing one of the scum to agree.time will end- Ircher
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I really do think this is something that should be explicit. I know that in the past, I've been caught by surprise in some games where the threshold was exactly 50%.- Ircher
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Like, in terms of game impact, it may be relatively low, but people rely on the thresholds to know whether or not it is safe to vote something, and even in the case of No Lim, people might still vote it while not quite being ready for the day to end.- Not_Mafia
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This could be a fair compromise? Default is hammer occurs at 50%, but mods can do 50%+1 if they specifically add it to their rulesetIn post 615, Ythan wrote:We could both allow mods to spell it out and establish a standard for games in which they don't. Win win?Also, what is NM doing? Worst play I’ve ever seen.I can't remember the last N_M post that wasn't bland, unimaginative and lame. Some shitposters are at least somewhat funny. You are the epitomy of the type of poster that nobody would miss if you were to suddenly disappear. You never add anything of value.I'm guessing you haven't read the game and probably never will? Why even sign up to play?- TemporalLich
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Roles I'd personally want to see discussed for Normality:
Reporter(checks if someone acted or not),Inspector(checks if someone was targeted or not),Superstar(allows your role (as a Role Cop sees it) to be revealed),Strongman as a modifier(makes an action unblockable),Modifier Cop(learns what modifiers apply to someone),[modifier]-Finder([role]-Finder with a modifier e.g. 1-shot-Finder or Loyal-Finder),Security Guard(lets someone know who targeted them besides you - basically a reverse Watcher),Visionary(lets someone know what targeted them besides you - basically a reverse Voyeur).
Alternate role names I want to see discussed:
Mailman >Messenger
Strongman >Juggernaut
Probably won't be normal but I can wish:
Moonlight Dancer(can reveal that they are a Moonlight Dancer once every phase)
Interceptor(redirects someone's actions to you)
Paladin(redirects actions targeting someone to you)time will end- Umlaut
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I doubt that redirection of any kind will ever be normal.“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs- TemporalLich
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Bodyguard is a redirection role.In post 623, Umlaut wrote:I doubt that redirection of any kind will ever be normal.
In fact, it's very close to aPaladinif it were limited to affecting kills (Bodyguard can't protect from a multikill, while a kill-specific Paladin still could).
I want to add one more role to the discussion, aShieldthat is to the Interceptor as a Bodyguard is to a Paladin. That is, theShieldcan target someone performing a kill to take the kill instead of the target.time will end - TemporalLich
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