What would balance 11-2 mountainous?
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What would balance 11-2 mountainous?
We all know that town just don't win 11-2 mountainous (and that 50% EV would be 17-2 or something) but what's the minimal amount of town power that would make it tolerable? Would like a 1-shot cop do it, for example?get a warrant- AnonymousGhost
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You'd lose the Mountainous aspect if you do this.
Mmm...
Maybe make the game Nightless for N1 (which wouldn't allow scum to NK someone) and maybe N2?
This way the scum have to put in a little bit more effort into the game in order to win since they can't just kill the town leaders and/or people who've pinned them as scum.- northsidegal
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I think this is already a setup, actually, designed by Cogito Ergo Sum if I recall correctly.In post 1, AnonymousGhost wrote:You'd lose the Mountainous aspect if you do this.
Mmm...
Maybe make the game Nightless for N1 (which wouldn't allow scum to NK someone) and maybe N2?
This way the scum have to put in a little bit more effort into the game in order to win since they can't just kill the town leaders and/or people who've pinned them as scum.- northsidegal
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Minimal power would do it in a face to face or chat session. In practice on a forum, with half the people phoneposting in their downtime trying to fill their life with fresh impulses, town gets demoralized 2 mislynches in and moves on to the next game.
You could attempt to fix mountainous games, but the practice is that they are too boring in this day and age.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.- Alisae
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I actually find the concept of Mountainous fun and I think its perfectly acceptable and okay to run 10v3 or whatever its just that some people care about it being scumsided or whatever when its not the point of it. Setup balance isn’t what matters here, its your ability to play as a player and do well just off of sheer scumhunting. THAT is what matters, but again people blame setup balance instead of themselves on MS I guess.| here.GTKAS- chamber
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11v2 Double Lynch per day nets you scum expected win rate of 44/91 or 48.35%.
Spoiler: I may have made a mistake somewhere
Not that I usually recommend open setups with EV of less than 50% for obvious reasons, but mountainous tend to do a lot worse than expected due to best players dying off.My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
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The normal way to balance a 100% vanilla game is to change the lynching mechanics or win conditions. For example, the Double Day suggestion by FakeGod above, or the White Flag win condition mechanic in a 10:3 (although White Flag has proven to be noticeably scumsided in practice).
For what it's worth, I believe 2:9 vanilla is more townsided in practice than 2:11 vanilla despite having fewer mislynches. It makes it easier to find scum before scum have an opportunity to kill off all the best scumhunters (in 2:11 there isn't a high enough scum density to have much chance of finding them). In fact, 2:7 inadvertent mountainous (i.e. a Closed game which might have power roles, but none of them do anything) has been won more often on mafiascum.net than 2:11 has.scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town- RadiantCowbells
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