Scumreading and Rudeness

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Post Post #0  (ISO)  » Sat Aug 25, 2018 4:52 pm

I have noticed this in a number of games I’ve played, both here and offsite as well. Some townies seem to be of the opinion, that it’s perfectly fine to treat one’s scumreads like crap.

Yes, I know scum are the bad guys but they’re also human beings who don’t choose their alignment. I was in a game - offsite - a little while ago where one player who mistakenly scumread me, proceeded to treat me like garbage because of it. I was so deflated by this, that I gave up any hope of being ever correctly read in that game and sealed my eventual mislynch by choking.

It is my opinion that you should try your best to treat other players with respect - irrespective of what alignment you happen to be reading them as.

Not allowing a player to get away with anything super sketchy and calling them out on their shit, is part of effective scumhunting but I don’t think it’s ever necessary or justified IMHO, to ever treat them as subhuman, is my point.

Thing with Nancy is we just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it.

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Post Post #1  (ISO)  » Sat Aug 25, 2018 6:29 pm

Agreed, but I don't think anyone would actually disagree with this. let's hope not

There's a fine line between scum hunting/discrediting scum's arguments and resorting to attacking the player to win. If you have to resort to attacking a player in order to win, then you probably need to reevaluate your play style.
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Post Post #2  (ISO)  » Sun Aug 26, 2018 4:16 pm

What people in this thread fail to understand is that randing wolf is a deep and fundamental moral failure, and that any time someone has potentially randed wolf, they are rejecting you as a human being, and therefore an emotion and vitriol laden method to push them is the most appropriate response humanly possible

Or maybe the opposite of that.

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Post Post #3  (ISO)  » Sun Aug 26, 2018 6:42 pm

In post 2, RadiantCowbells wrote:What people in this thread fail to understand is that randing wolf is a deep and fundamental moral failure, and that any time someone has potentially randed wolf, they are rejecting you as a human being, and therefore an emotion and vitriol laden method to push them is the most appropriate response humanly possible

Or maybe the opposite of that.

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Except when it fails spectacularly like in the example, I mentioned.

Thing with Nancy is we just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it.

(I'm slightly scared of Nancy)
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Post Post #4  (ISO)  » Mon Aug 27, 2018 2:15 am

For some reason, I think ppl get incredibly offended when scumread, regardless of alignment. Sometimes I think the reason they take it so personally is that ppl feel like they are playing super well and when someone scum reads them they take it as a personal attack on their skill. Also, discrediting and ad hom have been ways of reaction to scum reads on you for over a decade and that's nothing new.
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Post Post #5  (ISO)  » Mon Aug 27, 2018 11:40 am

some people just haven't learned yet not to play with their food

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Post Post #6  (ISO)  » Mon Aug 27, 2018 3:02 pm

I stopped modding because of the utter shit players shovelled at each other. It was dreadful. Im not even sure if any of the players scum-read each other at any point. It's a playstyle that developed at some point and it's a piss poor one.
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Post Post #7  (ISO)  » Thu Aug 30, 2018 10:58 am

I think I'm way ruder to people I think are town than to people I think are scum. Mostly because if I tell someone their play is anti-town when they're town then it follows that I'm saying they're bad at the game, and there's only so polite you can be when what you're saying is inherently insulting.

(I remember one player got really upset about my calling something a "fake dumbtell" because given that she was town I must think she was actually dumb.)
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Post Post #8  (ISO)  » Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:14 pm

I think it's important to be aggressive when pressuring suspected scum, but that doesn't justify insults/personal attacks.

It's not that hard to bear down on someone without turning into a raging prick.
Does this post forward a scum win con, or do you just think I'm strange?

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Post Post #9  (ISO)  » Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:33 pm

Some people don't understand the difference between aggressive and asshat.
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Post Post #10  (ISO)  » Fri Oct 19, 2018 7:38 pm

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In my first forum game ever I was scum and one of townsfolk on my death just boasted right in my face, and that actually like legitimately set me off into a rage. He actually apologized and explained he had irl issues with anger management, but it still stung. So yeah, be nice, it’s all a game.
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Post Post #11  (ISO)  » Sat Oct 20, 2018 6:32 am

I don’t envy you. Rolling scum first game is rough. It’s not fun to have dead thread happy you’re dead and rooting for your side’s demise.

Thing with Nancy is we just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it.

(I'm slightly scared of Nancy)
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Post Post #12  (ISO)  » Sat Oct 20, 2018 7:05 am

I have always drawn the line for myself by differentiating between the action and the player.

I can be pretty direct and aggressive but to the best of my abilities I say things like "that's terrible play" "those reads are horrible" "you're gamethrowing" instead of "you suck" or "you're bad" or "you're a cheater".
Simply speaking say "that's a lie" don't say "you're a liar".
A player can be a good player and do something badly/misplay/have bad reads/etc. Calling their action bad does not reduce their skill level.

Ftr I don't know how I'm perceived maybe I am still offending people by this. I hope not The point is just sometimes you need to push your scumcases and have to be direct and confident. If people think you are vague, hesitant, or unsure they are probably not going to vote alongside you and might even scumread you for it.

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Post Post #13  (ISO)  » Sat Oct 20, 2018 7:06 am

Also after the game all tension should be dropped. Some people seem unable to let it go. There's really no excuse for being rude/fighting after the game.

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Post Post #14  (ISO)  » Sat Oct 20, 2018 7:18 am

Some people - even those who ought to know better - directly insult other players* intelligence. MS shoild have a 0 tolerance for this despicable behaviour, and no one ought to be exempt.

Thing with Nancy is we just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it.

(I'm slightly scared of Nancy)
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Post Post #15  (ISO)  » Tue Oct 30, 2018 1:53 am

In post 9, Ectomancer wrote:Some people don't understand the difference between aggressive and asshat.

I have to confess, that's something that I've had problems with in the past, myself.

There were reasons for it... but certainly no excuses.

Asshats can reform.
Does this post forward a scum win con, or do you just think I'm strange?

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