This post and ones like it where the player is obviously using "illegal" content (by not only relying on information in ongoing games, but telling other players they are doing so in an effort to persuade them) doesn't seem like legitimate play, to me.
Does this kind of behavior not violate the spirit of site rules 2&3?
Ongoing game content should not be allowed for meta purposes in other games, even if the player being researched has had their alignment confirmed.
Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:00 pm
by Jenga
I think the post quoted is a bigger violation of the rules for sentences that aren't awful to read
Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:39 am
by Irrelephant11
I don't object to the use of [redacted], but I do agree that sometimes it's used to leniently
For examples, if I were to want to say "I townread this person because their activity and gamesolving match a game they just got nightkilled in as town"
And I said "I townread this person because their activity and gamesolving match [redacted]" - I would find this to be bending the rules unfairly for sure
Instead, I usually just say "[redacted]" in which case people know I have more thoughts and I might get to share them later but receive no hints as to what those thoughts are
I find most people are in between, and try to lean toward the latter, but sometimes accidentally do the former. I think the former should receive a warning from the mod or some such
Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:50 am
by shortaru
Yeah, that is fair.
What I object to is blatantly referring to an ongoing game under the mask of [redacted].
Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:52 am
by Lycanfire
Redactions should only be valid for secret alts or secret games. You should be willing to out the secret if a majority of people not in support of your viewpoint aren't in on it.
If you're referencing an ongoing, it's because there's a reason why you scumread somebody. Hammer that point through. If the other game happens to finish, it's now supplementary evidence.
There's no grey area. As for the content in the OP I think this is a case of secret alt.
Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:57 am
by shortaru
It's bringing in an outside influence which cannot be independently examined or debated.
Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:54 am
by profii
I wanted to town read someone because of something they did in an ongoing game where we had both flipped
i checked with the mod because me talking about a flipped players behaviour has absolutely no consequence on that game as i had also flipped
but was told not to do it
i wouldnt even have thought to have said [redacted] to try and bend the rule - pretty lame i think
Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:06 am
by shortaru
Yet it happens.
A lot.
Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2018 8:16 am
by callforjudgement
People using [redacted] as a way to refer to ongoing games was very common at one point, and became a fairly large problem. One of the reasons our current ongoing game rules are so strict is in an attempt to stop it.
About the only thing you can do if you have a read based on an ongoing game is to not specify the reason at all, and look for reasons for the same read in your own game and give those instead.
Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2018 7:03 am
by Flubbernugget
It really shouldn't be that hard to case someone outside of meta from an ongoing game if they're scum
Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2018 3:40 pm
by Micc
The listmod team spent some time talking about this behind the scenes and here's where we stand:
As always, feel free to send one of us a PM if you have questions or would like further clarification.
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:12 am
by Lycanfire
I'm just shocked that House had a Grey area secret alt