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Spectators in Newbie Games
Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 3:47 am
by Auro
I notice that ICs serve to teach newbies while also playing, but I think it's hard to do that while also maintaining zero bias.
They also sometimes get NK'd/lynched early, and their teaching experience stops there.
How effective would spectator IC/SEs be in Newbie games? They'd only comment on mechanics/theory, explain abbreviations/posts etc, last through the game, and carry no bias.
Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 5:11 am
by Lycanfire
Newbies need more newbies, not more experienced players in them.
A day is enough to play by example. The fundamentals gone over in day 1 should help newbies when they're on their own.
Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 5:16 am
by shortaru
Nah. If anything, treestump the existing IC as a neutral alignment.
Then the only bias involved is the IC's alignment preference.
Not that I'm advocating this option, but it would make more sense than interlopers.
Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 9:24 am
by Ramcius
well, explaining mechanics, abreviations, etc should be host's (or other players) duty, as long as newbies ask for explanations, as for explaining posts and discussing theory i'd say it's too much, be it spectator or someone else not involved with the game
Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:50 am
by Toomai
Bias in a spectator/dead IC is impossible to avoid.
- If they're as uninformed as a spectator, they're more likely to be game-solving and thus pro-town.
- If they know who PRs are, they're probably going to be subconsciously biased towards advice for those roles.
- If they know who the scum are, they're more likely to accidentally have advice for their exact situation that players can link.
- If they're as informed as the mod, might as well have the mod do the job, and it's generally considered that's not good.
Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:08 am
by TesXX
Toomai wrote:Bias in a spectator/dead IC is impossible to avoid.
- If they're as uninformed as a spectator, they're more likely to be game-solving and thus pro-town.
- If they know who PRs are, they're probably going to be subconsciously biased towards advice for those roles.
- If they know who the scum are, they're more likely to accidentally have advice for their exact situation that players can link.
- If they're as informed as the mod, might as well have the mod do the job, and it's generally considered that's not good.
Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:11 am
by TesXX
Also having SE's and IC's as players kinda gives newbies a better understanding of how to play than just telling them