GIF's Theorem of Meta Reliability

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GIF's Theorem of Meta Reliability

Post Post #0 (ISO) » Wed Mar 27, 2019 8:40 am

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When a user is attempting to use meta to read player
t
, if the user is attempting a meta read on player
t
by using previous games
t
played, then the reliability of user's meta against
t
is:

Reliability Rmeta = sqrt(P/G) * e-d/365


Where
  • G
    is number of completed games
    t
    played
  • P
    is number of completed games that the user played with
    t

  • d
    is a time passed since the user's most recent reference of game of
    t
    in days
For an example, when you use using a meta against a player with a game that is 2 months old, and you played 10 games with that player out of 35 total games, then your meta reliability is

sqrt(10/35) * e^(-61/365) = 0.452, so about 45.2%.
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Post Post #1 (ISO) » Wed Mar 27, 2019 8:49 am

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Why is previous consistency on correctly applying meta not considered
2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.
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Post Post #2 (ISO) » Wed Mar 27, 2019 8:54 am

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Because if you are reading people correctly consistently that means you start reading them via playstyle recognition instead of using previous games as references.

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Post Post #3 (ISO) » Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:50 am

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Missed when meta reliability on me used to be about 100%
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Post Post #4 (ISO) » Wed Mar 27, 2019 10:00 am

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In post 3, Creature wrote:Missed when meta reliability on me used to be about 100%
It's easy to fix - become terrible at scum again
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Post Post #5 (ISO) » Wed Mar 27, 2019 10:01 am

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In post 4, Ramcius wrote:
In post 3, Creature wrote:Missed when meta reliability on me used to be about 100%
It's easy to fix - become terrible at scum again
I feel really tempted to. The games I completed so far proved to be useless effort.
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Post Post #6 (ISO) » Wed Mar 27, 2019 3:05 pm

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now if only you could easily tell how many games someone has and how many youve played with them
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Post Post #7 (ISO) » Fri Mar 29, 2019 7:13 am

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Post Post #8 (ISO) » Fri Mar 29, 2019 7:56 am

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Meta is useless without personality insight behind it
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Post Post #9 (ISO) » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:48 am

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turns out my 4 year old meta with 1 game is only 2% reliable
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Post Post #10 (ISO) » Sun Apr 28, 2019 3:29 pm

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This formula obviously breaks in boundary conditions. For example, there are players I've never played with, but feel like my meta reliability at reading them is more than 0% (I can practice reading players I'm not playing with by reading through games and trying to guess their alignment). Thus, I suspect the formula is wrong.

It also implies that if two brand new newbies are playing their first two games with each other in parallel (say they both joined both games available in the Micro queue), then as soon as one of the games ends, those players will have a 100% reliable meta read on each other within the other game. Sure, that meta experience has to be helpful, but 100% reliable seems like a stretch. (In fact, I would argue that meta reliability is positively, not negatively, correlated with
G
.)

Given that some quick checks show that this formula can't possibly be correct in all cases, and there are some suspicious parts in it (the constant factor in the exponent is exactly -1/365? seriously?), I suspect that the formula is just made up rather than fit to any actual data about meta reads or any mathematical argument about how accurate they should be in the abstract.
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