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There you go. Discussion over.- Ramcius
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the context for these is very similar: its deadline a lynch is needed and no one wants to switch votes or wagonsIn post 40, Alisae wrote:viewtopic.php?f=50&t=71389 - Alisae, Town
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The game in which you did - town lost. So you have one at best.
I'm sure that out of the thousands of games that have been played here over the years, there's been some self hammers that worked. My guess is that:
- those are a pretty small fraction of all self hammers, and
- in most cases, the same goals could have been achieved by other means.- Alisae
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here was the circumstance:In post 10, Persivul wrote:The game in which you did - town lost. So you have one at best.
Its Matrix6, D2
A 1v1 was forced that day between me and scum
one of us had to be lynched
and no one wanted to move votes around
if town no lynch, that would have been extremely bad for the game.
You're decently good so I'm not going to explain why that was bad there.
It was either self hammer or no lynch
I took self hammer.
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no it was a really funny joke actually
no lynch is bad because that prolongs the 1v1 into MyLo. As in literally, as soon as 1 flipped, the other was outed/cleared. This causes town to lose with 2 scum alive where as lynching in the 1v1 means 1 scum alive.In post 15, Ramcius wrote:you should choose no lynch over ML or at least force someone else to hammer
no one was willing to hammer due to town dragging it out. I was being wagoned by 2 scum, 1 town, and everyone else was doing nothing.
Selfhammer was always correct there.
Not to mention a hammer by someone else doesn't mean anything if scum are engaged and already wagoning the person they need dead, scum were probably already on the wagon anyways. Scum wasn't going to hammer, it was always a town that would hammer in that scenario.| here.GTKAS- Creature
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Was it CC? Then I can see, why one would want to die to confirm other person as a scumIn post 16, Alisae wrote:no it was a really funny joke actually
no lynch is bad because that prolongs the 1v1 into MyLo. As in literally, as soon as 1 flipped, the other was outed/cleared. This causes town to lose with 2 scum alive where as lynching in the 1v1 means 1 scum alive.In post 15, Ramcius wrote:you should choose no lynch over ML or at least force someone else to hammer
no one was willing to hammer due to town dragging it out. I was being wagoned by 2 scum, 1 town, and everyone else was doing nothing.
Selfhammer was always correct there.
Not to mention a hammer by someone else doesn't mean anything if scum are engaged and already wagoning the person they need dead, scum were probably already on the wagon anyways. Scum wasn't going to hammer, it was always a town that would hammer in that scenario.
It doesn't matter who hammers - town or scum. Hammer means that you can apply pressure on whoever hammered and get better read on them, which is always positive
I was trying to speak more from general perspective on the matter than this very niche example. This thread is about future games and using something that is not likely to come up again isn't educational/helpful- RadiantCowbells
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oh yeah I just remember thatIn post 20, MathBlade wrote:One of them was mine where it enabled a lylo that would have been a loss otherwise
yep, thats also a good example.
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