Anti-wincon Mafia?
- Nancy Drew 39
-
Nancy Drew 39 She/HerNot that Inno Scent
- Nancy Drew 39
She/Her- Not that Inno Scent
- Not that Inno Scent
- Posts: 14979
- Joined: January 14, 2018
- Pronoun: She/Her
- Location: HYDRAs 4EVA!!!
- Contact:
Anti-wincon Mafia?
A game where players are miraculously trying to win while actually required to gamethrow.
So kind of like some variation on a multiplayer version of all jesters, kind of?**********We just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it. (I'm slightly scared of Nancy)~the worst*******Nancy is pretty heavenly ngl~CheekyTeekyNancy-scum feels like a hot knife slicing through butter. Nancy-town feels like a magnifying glass in the sun glaring down at an insect.~Taly- Nancy Drew 39
-
Nancy Drew 39 She/HerNot that Inno Scent
- Nancy Drew 39
She/Her- Not that Inno Scent
- Not that Inno Scent
- Posts: 14979
- Joined: January 14, 2018
- Pronoun: She/Her
- Location: HYDRAs 4EVA!!!
- Contact:
This is a serious thread btw. Maybe it should be posted in setup ideas but I was genuinely curious how people would feel about this type of game.**********We just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it. (I'm slightly scared of Nancy)~the worst*******Nancy is pretty heavenly ngl~CheekyTeekyNancy-scum feels like a hot knife slicing through butter. Nancy-town feels like a magnifying glass in the sun glaring down at an insect.~Taly- Gamma Emerald
-
Gamma Emerald AnySurvivor
- Gamma Emerald
Any- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 69101
- Joined: August 9, 2016
- Pronoun: Any
- Location: Hell on Earth (aka Texas)
- Ramcius
-
Ramcius Mafia Scum
- Ramcius
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 4126
- Joined: November 22, 2016
- Nero Cain
-
Nero Cain Survivor
- Nero Cain
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 44933
- Joined: December 6, 2009
I mean, don't we already have this? Most players don't play to their wincon anyways.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
edited c.s. lewis quote b/c limit- TemporalLich
-
TemporalLich Grand Scheme
- TemporalLich
- Grand Scheme
- Grand Scheme
- Posts: 5789
- Joined: January 30, 2019
- Location: A Lost Timeline
so, mafia wins if all mafiosi die, and town wins if the mafia achieve parity?
I think the Mafia would need a compulsive nightkill with the restriction that they may not target other mafiosi, there might be a breaking strategy where the Mafia "gamethrows" by hard-bussing and nightkilling their own otherwise.
edit: wincons might still be normal.
If so, it would be an interesting marathon game tbh if you just need to gamethrow but wincons are normal (might be townsided though!)
but it wouldn't be a good theme game imo.
Feel free to call "reversed wincon mafia" Misère Mafia, because that's what I'd call it, though this may be outside the scope of this thread.time will end- Gamma Emerald
-
Gamma Emerald AnySurvivor
- Gamma Emerald
Any- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 69101
- Joined: August 9, 2016
- Pronoun: Any
- Location: Hell on Earth (aka Texas)
- callforjudgement
-
callforjudgement Microprocessor
- callforjudgement
- Microprocessor
- Microprocessor
- Posts: 3972
- Joined: September 1, 2011
With victory conditions Open and self-aware (i.e. everyone knows that town win by lynching each other, so the scum try to look town in order to get lynched), the game works pretty well, but you have to run it as Nightless. It's been run a few times, normally at vanilla 6:2 (and incidentally is one of my favourite setups to play in). It is probably townsided, though, so maybe 7:2 would work better.In post 5, TemporalLich wrote:so, mafia wins if all mafiosi die, and town wins if the mafia achieve parity?scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town- TemporalLich
-
TemporalLich Grand Scheme
- TemporalLich
- Grand Scheme
- Grand Scheme
- Posts: 5789
- Joined: January 30, 2019
- Location: A Lost Timeline
would be an interesting game but I can't figure out how intentional gamethrowing would affect the EVIn post 6, Gamma Emerald wrote:Yeah that's not it chief
It's trying to fulfill standard wincon while also throwing the gametime will end- Gamma Emerald
-
Gamma Emerald AnySurvivor
- Gamma Emerald
Any- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 69101
- Joined: August 9, 2016
- Pronoun: Any
- Location: Hell on Earth (aka Texas)
- callforjudgement
-
callforjudgement Microprocessor
- callforjudgement
- Microprocessor
- Microprocessor
- Posts: 3972
- Joined: September 1, 2011
Yes, that's the setup I was describing in #7.In post 9, Gamma Emerald wrote:Actually isn't that just the setup Vote For Town?scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town- Not_Mafia
-
Not_Mafia Smash Hit
- Not_Mafia
- Smash Hit
- Smash Hit
- Posts: 23476
- Joined: February 5, 2014
- Location: Whitney's Gym
Step 1: Pick any set-up
Step 2: Run it on Mafia Universe
Step 3: Mission achievedAlso, what is NM doing? Worst play I’ve ever seen.I can't remember the last N_M post that wasn't bland, unimaginative and lame. Some shitposters are at least somewhat funny. You are the epitomy of the type of poster that nobody would miss if you were to suddenly disappear. You never add anything of value.I'm guessing you haven't read the game and probably never will? Why even sign up to play?- Nancy Drew 39
-
Nancy Drew 39 She/HerNot that Inno Scent
- Nancy Drew 39
She/Her- Not that Inno Scent
- Not that Inno Scent
- Posts: 14979
- Joined: January 14, 2018
- Pronoun: She/Her
- Location: HYDRAs 4EVA!!!
- Contact:
Something tells me, you and RC aren’t exactly, “fans”.**********We just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it. (I'm slightly scared of Nancy)~the worst*******Nancy is pretty heavenly ngl~CheekyTeekyNancy-scum feels like a hot knife slicing through butter. Nancy-town feels like a magnifying glass in the sun glaring down at an insect.~Taly-
-
SuicideJunkie Watcher
- Watcher
- Watcher
- Posts: 0
- Joined: October 25, 2019
I ran some Reversi games on the XKCD forum a while back.
There is an interesting tension in that, as you start losing, your faction gains more and more control over the vote.
You also have to be very careful, since a single outed Mafia can lose the game for their team. A limited friendly-fire or a redirection ability mitigates that somewhat.
Mafia faction kill mostly needs to be limited; no self-targeting, no friendly-fire at all, one-shot, etc. Same with SK.
Doctors likely need to be obligatory as well.
Wincons:
Town = You personally win when the Town faction loses.
Mafia = You personally win when the Mafia faction loses.
Jester = You personally win if you're NKed or Survive
etc.
Game ends as in a normal game (Mafia faction win therefore Mafia players lose, Town players win) once Mafia controls half the vote. (Most role configs would result in a stalemate or perverse incentives if played out to the end)
The Ghostbusters Reversi game for example was themed around 2 Ghostbusters and 5 Ghosts trying to escape the ghost vault after an accident.
GB were mafia, both needed to escape.
Ghosts were town, trying to get to 50% player count to achieve a handwavy pseudoscience ectoplasmic pressure etc win.
Both GB and the 5-player test reversi game ended up coming down to the wire in a 2v1 showdown.- Nancy Drew 39
-
Nancy Drew 39 She/HerNot that Inno Scent
- Nancy Drew 39
She/Her- Not that Inno Scent
- Not that Inno Scent
- Posts: 14979
- Joined: January 14, 2018
- Pronoun: She/Her
- Location: HYDRAs 4EVA!!!
- Contact:
Sounds awesome! Where can I sign up for this?In post 13, SuicideJunkie wrote:I ran some Reversi games on the XKCD forum a while back.
There is an interesting tension in that, as you start losing, your faction gains more and more control over the vote.
You also have to be very careful, since a single outed Mafia can lose the game for their team. A limited friendly-fire or a redirection ability mitigates that somewhat.
Mafia faction kill mostly needs to be limited; no self-targeting, no friendly-fire at all, one-shot, etc. Same with SK.
Doctors likely need to be obligatory as well.
Wincons:
Town = You personally win when the Town faction loses.
Mafia = You personally win when the Mafia faction loses.
Jester = You personally win if you're NKed or Survive
etc.
Game ends as in a normal game (Mafia faction win therefore Mafia players lose, Town players win) once Mafia controls half the vote. (Most role configs would result in a stalemate or perverse incentives if played out to the end)
The Ghostbusters Reversi game for example was themed around 2 Ghostbusters and 5 Ghosts trying to escape the ghost vault after an accident.
GB were mafia, both needed to escape.
Ghosts were town, trying to get to 50% player count to achieve a handwavy pseudoscience ectoplasmic pressure etc win.
Both GB and the 5-player test reversi game ended up coming down to the wire in a 2v1 showdown.**********We just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it. (I'm slightly scared of Nancy)~the worst*******Nancy is pretty heavenly ngl~CheekyTeekyNancy-scum feels like a hot knife slicing through butter. Nancy-town feels like a magnifying glass in the sun glaring down at an insect.~Taly- Nancy Drew 39
-
Nancy Drew 39 She/HerNot that Inno Scent
- Nancy Drew 39
She/Her- Not that Inno Scent
- Not that Inno Scent
- Posts: 14979
- Joined: January 14, 2018
- Pronoun: She/Her
- Location: HYDRAs 4EVA!!!
- Contact:
This thread was originally intended as a joke btw. But I’ve played a version of reversi chess, where you try to be the first one to lose all of your pieces.**********We just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it. (I'm slightly scared of Nancy)~the worst*******Nancy is pretty heavenly ngl~CheekyTeekyNancy-scum feels like a hot knife slicing through butter. Nancy-town feels like a magnifying glass in the sun glaring down at an insect.~Taly - Nancy Drew 39
Copyright © MafiaScum. All rights reserved.
- Nancy Drew 39
- Nancy Drew 39
- Not_Mafia
- callforjudgement
- Gamma Emerald
- TemporalLich
- callforjudgement
- Gamma Emerald
- TemporalLich
- Nero Cain
- Ramcius
- Gamma Emerald
- Nancy Drew 39
- Nancy Drew 39