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Post Post #0 (ISO) » Mon Sep 02, 2019 6:48 am

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ABC
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Mafia Roleblocker
Mafia Rolecop
Mafia Goon
Row 1
Town Cop and Town Doctor
Town Tracker and Town Friendly Neighbor
Town Cop and Vanilla Townie
Row 2
Town Jailkeeper and Town Tracker
Town Jailkeeper and Town Friendly Neighbor
Town Jailkeeper and Vanilla Townie
Row 3
Town Mason and Town Mason
Town Tracker and Town Doctor
Town Mason and Town Mason


the new newbie setup really screws over fakeclaims. this is sort of like a thing for people to look at and see which fakeclaims work in which columns

all prs : cop, doc, jk, tracker, mason, fn

cop cced by : cop, jk, tracker, fn, mason

cop is not a safe fakeclaim in any column

doc cced by : doc, jk, fn, mason

only a safe fakeclaim in C1

jk cced by : jk, cop, doc, mason.

only a safe fakeclaim in B1

tracker cced by : tracker, cop, mason

safe fakeclaim in B2, C2

mason cced by : cop, doc, jk, track, mason, fn

lol no

fn cced by : fn, cop, doc, mason

safe fakeclaim in A2, C2
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Post Post #1 (ISO) » Mon Sep 02, 2019 6:56 am

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Cop


cop is always cced and is never a safe fakeclaim.


Doctor


doc isnt cced by cop or tracker. however, there is no tracker/cop setup so only fake claim is in C1(cop, vt)


Jailkeeper


jk isnt cced by tracker or fn. only safe fakeclaim is in B1(tracker, fn)


Tracker


tracker isnt cced by doc, jk, or fn

doc ccs both jk and fn, and there is no solo doc setup so no doc setups are safe

only safe fakeclaims are B2(jk, fn) and C2(jk, vt)


Friendly Neighbour


not cced by tracker, jk

fakeclaimable in A2(jk, tracker) and C2(jk, vt)


Mason


not exactly the best fakeclaim... always cced and you need to claim a partner. maybe with 1 flipped mason that didnt claim their partner? but then you always risk them breadcrumbing their partner or their partner breadcrumbing them.
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Post Post #2 (ISO) » Mon Sep 02, 2019 7:12 am

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Spoiler: Column A fakeclaims
Friendly Neighbour is fakeclaimable in A2, which is Jailkeeper, Tracker, and Scum Roleblocker. If a PR has already died/been confirmed, you cannot fakeclaim without being counter-claimed. It's very risky to claim though. You have to claim that you targeted either your scumbuddy or the night kill.


Spoiler: Column B fakeclaims
Jailkeeper is fakeclaimable in B1, which is Tracker, Friendly Neighbour, and Scum Rolecop. Tracker is fakeclaimable in B2, which is Jailkeeper, Friendly Neighbour, and Scum Rolecop. Jailkeeper is a risky role to fakeclaim, because if you survive into later game, you become a clearing role, and you become forced to give out innocent results. Although, by that point, at least one power role has probably died. Both roles are counter-claimed if one PR is dead/confirmed.


Spoiler: Column C fakeclaims
Doctor is fakeclaimable in C1, which is Cop, VT, and Mafia Goon. Tracker and Friendly Neighbour are fakeclaimable in C2, which is Jailkeeper, VT, Mafia Goon. All fakeclaims are safe, even if the PR is dead/confirmed. Friendly Neighbour is still a risky fakeclaim due to the reasoning stated in Column A.
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Post Post #3 (ISO) » Mon Sep 02, 2019 7:27 am

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ABC
MafiaMafia RoleblockerMafia RolecopMafia Goon
Row 1
No fakeclaims possible.
Jailkeeper.
Unclaimable when one PR is confirmed.
Doctor. Claimable even with a confirmed PR.
Row 2
Friendly Neighbour
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R
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K
Y
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Unclaimable when one PR is confirmed.
Tracker.
Unclaimable when one PR is confirmed.
Tracker and
Friendly Neighbour.
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R
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S
K
Y
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Both are claimable even with a confirmed PR.
Row 3
No fakeclaims possible.
No fakeclaims possible.
No fakeclaims possible.
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Post Post #4 (ISO) » Mon Sep 02, 2019 7:36 am

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btw "a confirmed PR" can also mean dead PR.

so basically, if you are scum and fakeclaim, expect to go into a 1v1 or maybe even a three way free for all
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Post Post #5 (ISO) » Mon Sep 02, 2019 7:37 am

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or just get brutally murdered by masons in A3 and C3
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Post Post #6 (ISO) » Mon Sep 02, 2019 7:40 am

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Keep in mind that fake claiming isn't meant to be perfect, you just need to win with it, whether you draw out a PR or win a CC scenario in LyLo. If a Mason CCs you know which setup you are in 100%, and you also just killed 50% of town's PRs and probably >50% of its utility.
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Post Post #7 (ISO) » Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:58 am

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don't fakeclaim kids
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Post Post #8 (ISO) » Tue Sep 03, 2019 10:24 pm

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In post 7, Alisae wrote:don't fakeclaim kids
It’s an important thing for newbies to know exists and be able to do without failing terribly, in my opinion — it’s
“A Thing That Should Be Taught In The Newbie Queue”
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Post Post #9 (ISO) » Wed Sep 04, 2019 6:12 am

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In post 7, Alisae wrote:don't fakeclaim kids
Leave it to the grown ups, yeah!
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Post Post #10 (ISO) » Wed Sep 04, 2019 6:13 am

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In post 8, Spangled wrote:
In post 7, Alisae wrote:don't fakeclaim kids
It’s an important thing for newbies to know exists and be able to do without failing terribly, in my opinion — it’s
“A Thing That Should Be Taught In The Newbie Queue”

It just takes time and experience really. I think it’s a teach by showing kind of thing.
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Post Post #11 (ISO) » Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:18 am

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In post 8, Spangled wrote:
In post 7, Alisae wrote:don't fakeclaim kids
It’s an important thing for newbies to know exists and be able to do without failing terribly, in my opinion — it’s
“A Thing That Should Be Taught In The Newbie Queue”
except when it goes poorly it ruins games
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Post Post #12 (ISO) » Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:20 am

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these are mafia fakeclaims , doh
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Post Post #13 (ISO) » Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:21 am

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do you want mafia to claim "hi im mafia"??
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Post Post #14 (ISO) » Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:24 am

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VT or PR
Like they’re supposed to?
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Post Post #15 (ISO) » Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:25 am

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Chennis this is mafia 101
Mafia fakeclaiming a PR when they’re run only serves the purpose to bait out another PR
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Post Post #16 (ISO) » Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:26 am

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Like its not for survival dude
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Post Post #17 (ISO) » Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:36 am

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I disagree. Newbie 1935 (reroll) was a clever example of a good fakeclaim from mafia that served to get them townread. (ClearlyClarity fakeclaimed tracker in a Cop+VT setup and almost everyone believed her.)
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Post Post #18 (ISO) » Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:49 am

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Okay but newbies shouldn’t be doing that
SEs can and are likely to know what they’re doing.
Newbies won’t
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Post Post #19 (ISO) » Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:54 am

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In post 15, Alisae wrote:Chennis this is mafia 101
Mafia fakeclaiming a PR when they’re run only serves the purpose to bait out another PR
In post 16, Alisae wrote:Like its not for survival dude
This
You can live off a fakeckaim but usually only in closed games
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Post Post #20 (ISO) » Fri Sep 06, 2019 1:33 pm

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In post 18, Alisae wrote:Okay but newbies shouldn’t be doing that
SEs can and are likely to know what they’re doing.
Newbies won’t
But isn’t it an important thing to
try
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If only so newbies know how hard it is to do well, or how poorly it can go — otherwise they won’t do it well even
in
closed setups, when they move on to them.
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Post Post #21 (ISO) » Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:09 am

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No because if it works by fluke once or against other newbies, we're the ones who have to play six months later with a bunch of idiots fakeclaiming results on people and then retracting for "reaction tests"
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Post Post #22 (ISO) » Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:12 am

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And aside, newbie games are for learning the basics


Surviving a good fakeclaim is an advanced skill, and sometimes you gotta die through trial and error to get it right

And sometimes when you get it right you'll still die
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Post Post #23 (ISO) » Sat Sep 07, 2019 12:00 pm

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Okay but like
You only see shitty fakeclaim strats when town do it
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Post Post #24 (ISO) » Sat Sep 07, 2019 12:01 pm

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Yeah and I'd like to keep not seeing it
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