Open-Sourced Open

[TemporalLich]

I think something like -15 would be more reasonable. And Epicurean being 0 is fineish.

As for third parties - that would mess with the point generation system. However, if you want to make a set of Werewolf cards, that would be fine - mods could decide to run with one scumteam, but they can decide/rand which scumteam it is. So there could be a different set of WW cards that have different interactions with certain town roles, and mod could choose whether to use that or the standard Mafia set.

How I'd personally value the standard third parties:

Survivor (survive to win) -

-10

Unjester (get killed by any method other than elimination to win) -

15

Savior (avoid getting target eliminated to win) -

15

Condemner (have your target eliminated with you on the wagon to win) -

25

Jester (get eliminated to win) -

40

Serial Killer (kills every night, must eliminate everyone else to win) -

100

Third parties of course can be in a separate third party deck.

Hmm, I might add Werewolves but only if multiball OSO can be generated separately from singleball OSO. And Moonlight Dancer is more thematic as a WW role than a Mafia role (but town moonlight dancer needs to exist to avoid the "lol you just claimed scum" problem).

pedit: yeah those point values seem good, I'm not very good at balancing so take my point values with a shake of salt.

edit: term replacement

[chennisden]

We can make a separate multiball deck, though we'd need to reassign/redesign values/cards. Also I don't think people enjoy multiball/3p.

[chennisden]

Also having those role in there majorly benefits scum.

I'm open to letting 3p count as mafia points (usually it should count as mafia pts), but it'll probably be in its own section

[TemporalLich]

Yeah I personally like insane games... but this is a sane version of Grand Idea Mafia and Radiant Idea Mafia.

I'm open to an optional third party expansion deck, but not if people don't like third-parties.

[Gamma Emerald]

Tbh this could possibly be fused with Normal Idea Mafia in the future

[chennisden]

What's that?

[Gamma Emerald]

A setup idea made in 2016 that uses normal roles with a Great Idea-ish setup design, and it like 99.99% of the time is role madnrss
I think if the value card idea is implemented into that setup it will create a more interesting build

[Not Known 15]

Disabled Mafia

<- cannot use nightkills. By extension, disabled mafia members cannot win alone. 120 points.

Named Townie

30 points.

Town Jailkeeper

200 points

Town Vigilante

150 points

Mafia Paranoid Gun Owner

350 points

Mafia Bulletproof Ninja Strongman Godfather

600 points

Mafia Night P Death(also known as suicidal)

0 points + 10 for every night and the cost of every the previous night(Night 1 10: Night 2 20+10(30);Night 3 10+30+30(70); Night 4 40+10+30+70(150) P cannot be higher than 4 or lower than 1.

[TemporalLich]

Open Sourced Open needs more town roles. Take some.

Town Doctor

[50]

Town Universal Backup

[100]

Town Reserve Investigative Role

(is a town cop if there are no town investigative roles alive)

[90]

Town Traffic Analyst

[75]

Town PT Cop

[110]

Town Rolestopper

[70]

Town Warder

(rolestops from non-town actions)

[100]

Town Neapolitan

[55]

Town Role Cop

[80]

Town 1-shot Full Cop

(1-shot, investigates to see Role PM as flips would see it)

[140]

And because some of these aren't complete without Mafia counterparts:

Mafia Universal Backup

[220]

Mafia Rolestopper

[240]

Mafia Dark Warder

(rolestops from non-mafia actions)

[270]

Mafia Role Cop

[250]

And because Dark Warder itself needs a counterpart:

Town Compulsive Dark Warder

(compulsive, rolestops from other non-mafia actions)

[5]

[shiki]

Fruit Vendor Time!

Mafia Fruit Vendor

Mafia Complex Fruit Vendor

Town Fruit Vendor

Town Disloyal Fruit Vendor

Town Loyal Fruit Vendor

Town Reflexive Fruit Vendor

Town Simple Fruit Vendor

Town Loud Fruit Vendor

Town Weak Fruit Vendor

3 town compulsive loyal fruit vendor
3 town compulsive disloyal fruit vendor
1 vanilla town

2 mafia compulsive fruit vendor

mafia is multitasking, town fruit vendor role pms say '

town compulsive fruit vendor

'; loyalty is unknown