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Post Post #0 (ISO) » Mon Oct 21, 2019 3:44 am

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Lining up chain lynches isn’t scummy, as long as it’s conditional on anticipated flips.

Neither is lurking. That shit’s not alignment-indicative, it’s life-indicative.

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Post Post #1 (ISO) » Mon Oct 21, 2019 4:11 am

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Still, death to lurkers
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Post Post #2 (ISO) » Mon Oct 21, 2019 4:16 am

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One of those used to really be a thing.

One of those was never a thing.
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Post Post #3 (ISO) » Mon Oct 21, 2019 4:36 am

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Lurking is definitely scum indicative.
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Post Post #4 (ISO) » Mon Oct 21, 2019 10:04 am

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In post 3, Oversoul wrote:Lurking is definitely scum indicative.
But only if held in conjunction with meta.
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Post Post #5 (ISO) » Mon Oct 21, 2019 10:50 am

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In post 4, Spangled wrote:But only if held in conjunction with meta.
Shhh we're trying to PL lurkers here
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Post Post #6 (ISO) » Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:53 pm

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In post 0, Pine wrote:Lining up chain lynches isn’t scummy, as long as it’s conditional on anticipated flips.
Eh, it depends. If you're pushing a lynch as a genuine scumread while setting up to push another lynch if it flips town, it can very easily belie a lack of reevaluation that is usually present in town. But if you're pushing a lynch for mechanical or PoE reasons, or defending a lynch, there's nothing wrong with lining up another lynch on a townflip.
Neither is lurking. That shit’s not alignment-indicative, it’s life-indicative.
Varies from person to person. Some people legitimately do put less effort in as scum. For most people you are right.
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Post Post #7 (ISO) » Mon Oct 21, 2019 4:14 pm

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neither of these are hot takes.
Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

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Post Post #8 (ISO) » Mon Oct 21, 2019 9:23 pm

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In post 5, GuyInFreezer wrote:
In post 4, Spangled wrote:But only if held in conjunction with meta.
Shhh we're trying to PL lurkers here
I'd prefer just to vig them, saves trouble of convincing half of the playerlist, 1 vig is enough
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Post Post #9 (ISO) » Mon Oct 21, 2019 10:57 pm

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In post 7, Nero Cain wrote:neither of these are hot takes.
Shhhh
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Post Post #10 (ISO) » Tue Oct 22, 2019 1:10 pm

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Hot take: vigs are anti-town
That one always starts discussions
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Post Post #11 (ISO) » Wed Oct 23, 2019 11:06 am

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depends who the vig is
Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

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Post Post #12 (ISO) » Wed Oct 23, 2019 3:46 pm

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I actually have something like a 70% vig shot success rate.
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Post Post #13 (ISO) » Wed Oct 23, 2019 4:40 pm

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lurking is life indicative

failing to produce content while posting in thread regularly is scum indicative


as long as vigs shoot in consensus poe they are highly pro-town
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Post Post #14 (ISO) » Wed Oct 23, 2019 4:44 pm

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Ewww. I liked what you said until you mentioned consensus. The Vig is meant to bypass consensus - if they're leashed they're effectively just another lynch, and may be more easily influenced by scum.

Typically the vig can only trust themselves.
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Post Post #15 (ISO) » Wed Oct 23, 2019 9:16 pm

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I find it ridiculous to judge vig performance on scum kills only. Vig should help PoE, even if they kill townies. If you can't resolve slot without lynch, that's a perfect vig target - killing someone this way doesn't give extra night for scum as it would happen, if you lynch, so in the end you save 1 townie's life
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