Cult Leader Modifications

[Jake The Wolfie]

The Cult Leader is overpowered, as it's factions grows without bounds. However, all is not lost! If you listen to me for a few minutes, we may come up with a more preferable Cult Leader.

The first change is simple: The Cult Leader can convert players as long as both of these conditions are satisfied:

The Cult has not converted for 1 night.
The Cult Faction is not overcrowded.

Condition #1 solves a problem with the Cult Leader: It's faction grows too quickly, resulting in an unwinnable game for the town, unless they kill the Cult Leader and there isn't a recursive Leader (Aka one member becomes the leader)
Condition #2 solves the most critical condition for the Cult Leader: The faction grows without bound. It can easily bypass the town's numbers because it doesn't have a member limit. Of course, it shouldn't be too restrictive, as the cult doesn't have a killing ability and without a recursive Leader, this balance makes it a very favorable game to the town.

The second change is also simple: An X-Shot recursive Leader.

All this would do is give the Cult a fighting chance when their Leader inevitably does die. As their faction would now be limited to only a small group, this would also be balanced as the only real way to gain power over the town is by sheer numbers (unless the Cult has a killing ability, in which case there shouldn't be a recursive Leader)

What are your thoughts on this?

[Gamma Emerald]

It looks like another attempt to solve a problem that several people have already tried to solve
I do think you might have some good ideas though

[Awoo]

Cult in the Jungle Republic (A setup which I'm pretty sure has never been run) has a cult with a maximum size of 4, which includes dead cultists, and no cult leader. That's the most normalized cult I've seen.

[popsofctown]

Restricting the backup cult leader to X-shots seems like a very halfsie position. Do you want the high swing possibility of the Cult leader getting lynched or not?

I would say "no" and say that recruit is factional and it goes away the second time any cultist is lynched (or the third in an exceptionally large game).
There's plenty of case to be made for "yes" though, especially in smaller games.

[BBmolla]

Cults suck

[Korina]

I disagree with everything stated in this thread. Cult is perfectly fine as is, and anyone who disagrees is wrong, and should feel bad about having an abhorrently wrong opinion.

[Gamma Emerald]

If you think “cults are overpowered” is a wrong statement then you need an intervention because you are way too addicted to your own Kool-Aid

[NorwegianboyEE]

Cult games can be fun. Gotta agree with Korina in this one.
Micro 9p game with only town and cult faction works.

[Alisae]

No one:
Absolutely no one:
Jake: I THINK I CAN BaLaNcE CULTS!
Mafiascum: So you have chosen.... death

[popsofctown]

It's maybe not important to balance cults because the people willing to play with cults overlaps a lot with people willing to play imbalanced setups.

[Korina]

If you think “cults are overpowered” is a wrong statement then you need an intervention because you are way too addicted to your own Kool-Aid

Please read my signature, ty.
If you’re wondering what the hat says as well, it says “Cult Leader and Official Drink Maker”

[Gamma Emerald]

Put cults into any game without roles specifically placed to balance them and they likely dominate
And like “cults aren’t bastard” tbh you can’t say they aren’t because bastard is a somewhat objective term referring to roles/mechanics that make games either unpredictable or unfun, Cults can be fun but they’re certainly unpredictable. “Cult is best faction” and “more cult games” like, ok? Doesn’t change my comment at all

[Jake The Wolfie]

If you think “cults are overpowered” is a wrong statement then you need an intervention because you are way too addicted to your own Kool-Aid

Please read my signature, ty.
If you’re wondering what the hat says as well, it says “Cult Leader and Official Drink Maker”

Your logic is so bad that I can taste it in your kool-aid