weird seven demensional crumbing strategies

[bugspray]

I've heard that some people will crumb by "having every third letter of a sentence spell their role backwards" is this true? What the heck goes on and how do people even manage to do this stuff

[Datisi]

How many dimensions are these

I was breadcrumbing Doc from the start.

Spoiler:

Is there really no

free man

/woman/dragon/whatever online now?

Martin

Freeman

- the actor who plays

Dr John Watson

in BBC Sherlock

♪ ♫ All by myself, waiting for a friend to show ♪

♬

Lyrics from a fanmade song "Friend" for the game "Witch's

House

" -

House M.D.

is a pretty popular show

Man

, liv

ing

in Europe... Unidea

l is a

bout the right word. Nothing happening half my daytime. Noone's around?

Natalie

Manning

- character from Chicago MED

Lisa

Cuddy - character from House M.D.

I

wil

l

so

o

n

be going to bed. And if I wake up to like

13

new pages I will be sad

James

Wilson

- character from House M.D.
Remy "

Thirtheen

" Hadley - character from House M.D.

inb4 anyone asks, here's my crumb

Spoiler: First letter of the last word of the posts

For some reason I thought "good shenanigans" also meant "Town shenanigans", i need sleep

Though if you're more sus of Bella (which I assume why the vote?) why "dayvig" Klick?

Pedit: Bella, I asked that question, not Icon?

Also see y'all later, gotta run

n

ow

Though if you're more sus of Bella (which I assume by* the vote?) why "dayvig" Klick?

(ebwop) Icon, I think you missed this question (and some of Mena's as well)

e

arlier?

Dongempire, what changed between 77 and 82? Seems like a weird progression on

I

con.

Also in regard to 83 and 84, not sure how you come out with TRing Bella over Klick? I don't find the posts you listed in 84 as particularly scummy. Also, while both their posting at the start of the day was null-ish, I don't think Bella's further posting has been especially

g

reat.

Dongempire, what changed between 77 and 82? Seems like a weird progression on Icon.

Based on context I’d guess it was based off 80

80 is your post though? You mean that 80 made them read 72? Though that post doesn't seem to be overly positive of Icon, so I'm not sure what you mean

h

ere.

Oh

Not sure how you can draw a TR from

that

post (if 82 was even a serious read to begin with, which maybe it wasn't and I'm dumb?),

b

ut... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Dongempire, what changed between 77 and 82? Seems like a weird progression on Icon.

Nothing?
I hadnt read up on the game yet when i made the post, and just saw that icon was in the game and menals comment. Then i read up properly and saw he was towny.

Gotcha. Thought your read had changed because of the posts made between 77 and 82.

I dont tr bella, nor do i sr klick. I'm going through the motions, i think saying that i have strong reads on either would be stretching it right now.

I didn't say you do. What I meant by saying you "TR Bella over Klick" (and I see if my wording could've been a bit confusing there) is that you think Bella is more Town than Klick.

Not gonna fly with just saying the last posts are bad, provide examples if you want this cart rolling.

Examples of Bella's posts I'm not a fan of are 52 and 65. Sure, she's asking questions, but I'm not sure I see her using the answers for anything? To me it just reads like passive questioning of

o

thers.

@datisi, this is what I do day one - I ask a lot of questions. I'm trying to get a read on people, not necessarily direct the thread.

I mean, asking a lot of questions is fair game, hell I often do it a lot myself, but I kinda don't see the answers being used? Like, did Mena's answer impact your Mena or Icon

r

ead?

Hmm, I don't know how I feel about this.

Regarding Locke's mistake, I'm not sure that it's necessarily scum indicative, but I've made the mistake of letting things that shouldn't slide slide, so we'll see.

Overall liking datisi, always like an active sorter, klick is there, not really sure how to feel about him at the moment, liked menal's entrance, chemist is mostly nothing at the moment, pot calling kettle black I know, dong's funny so my read maybe bias but leaning town currently. And the rest of your posts don't make me feel more inclined to consider you town so I'mma keep my vote on you

Though I can't help but wonder if Bella does raise a good point here. You said you liked Mena's entrance, and he did spend a few posts talking about me (poor man must still be traumatised), so I kinda find it odd as well you didn't bring it up? Maybe I'm just overly paranoid of potential buddying.

At the time of making the post 95, had you read

e

verything?

Regarding Bella... It's nice to see them engaing in discussion with someone, but posts like these still seem a bit off to me.

Ive asked two (now three) questions - one of which to iconium, who hasn't replied to me - but from others' response, I'm guessing he's just like this. I can't read this slot well yet.

It's pretty obvious iiked the thought that went into menalques answer and they cleared up an issue I had with two different reactions that didn't make sense to me (to klick and ice).

It's should also be easy to reckon I'm not impressed with Locke's posting.

Feels kinda uncommitted? (To be fair, it is page 5/6, so it may be too early, but still.) You liked the thought that went into Mena's answer, but I still got no idea how you're reading him (or the majority of the game)

n

ow.

I know it was fake, but you said in 51 that you dayvigged who you found scummy, so I'm a bit confused is

a

ll.

I know it was fake, but you said in 51 that you dayvigged who you found scummy, so I'm a bit confused is all.

And didn't I say I thought him 'panick claiming' lovers for the least amount of pressure was scummy?

You did, I was kinda asking about your vote, since your dayvig was on Klick but vote on

B

ella.

Jezus how difficult can you make something?

Klick claims lovers with Bella. I 'shoot' Klick. They both die. Problem solved.

but it was a fake dayvig

I'm being called out for interacting with the 2 players whoms interaction I found, at the very least, weird.

What is this

Bleh, just potentially worried if your actions are off, since you said you don't think they're s/s

I'm probably overthinking it

Then vote me, honestly surprised you haven't yet

Did you misread my post? Maybe I posted it weirdly?

I was agreeing with you that Bella was overdefensive there, and she's my top scumread right now but it's early for something concrete

While I'm not a fan of that defensiveness from Locke, this did make me

l

augh

but it was a fake dayvig

but it was a fake lovers claim

they why did you shoot him for being lovers

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h

Bleh, just potentially worried if your actions are off, since you said you don't think they're s/sI'm probably overthinking it

If I were actually a vig, and Klick actually claimed lovers like this game, I would 100/100 shoot in them and kill them both.

...excellent plan,

r

ight.

I'm not saying that yet. And it was this:

Spoiler:

Pretty much how I start every one of my

m

eetups.

Nope, I was replaced by Ducky! But him and I had similar reads, so I don't think in the end it ended up mattering

a

nyway

p-p-p-pagetop

s

teal

We met back in '63.
And are we really that

o

bvious? :3

You mean why I got force-replaced, or why I replaced in in the first place?

I saw *stuff* that I wasn't supposed to see because of a bug. And I replaced in because there were a few people I wanted to play with, plus I kinda wanted to try to save the game after it got

n

asty.

Why are you so eager to vote someone who's not even had a chance to post so far?

Is the reason you single out Map because his vot put them at L-2? Because GBJ was also voted (before posting) by Salad and

K

anna.

They both have only two posts each. What makes you say they're less scummy

a

lready?

Vote:

N

orwegian

Shame that you rolled scum,

N

orbot :<

Your vote and reasoning strike me as opportunistic.

Btw, I actually

had

been loosely following a couple of games you happened to play in as they were happening. Unfortunately I don't remember much about your play at

a

ll.

[bugspray]

is everyone that obtuse? WTF

[Datisi]

sorry what?

[Firefly7]

if a crumb cant be noticed then what credibility does one gain from it?

scum!datisi could very well have set up five of these and nobody would ever notice the ones he decided not to claim

[popsofctown]

The reason Datisi probably doesn't have five is because it'd be tedious, that's what makes crumbs work.


Mason crumbs are a very special case because you can explain your crumb in the PT to your Mason partner. You should always essentially be granting Activatable IC to your Mason partner when you die if you take the moment to crumb.

[Datisi]

True, but imo the whole point of a crumb is that nobody notices it (otherwise it would be a soft claim)

But at the very least it proves that I didn't come up with the claim right on the spot. Which, for semi-open games like newbies might not prove *too* much (since known setup and scum generally knows which fakeclaim is best), but for closed setups, proving that you had a claim that fits with the rest of the claims/flips can go a long way

And cramming 5-6 different crumbs in your posts at the start of the game would be very very difficult - i generally barely manage 1

Pedit: yeah, it's tedious as hell. Also +1 to the Mason explanation.

[Awoo]

Lol, just set up a crumb for every role in the semi-open, why don't you?

At that point the game becomes less mafia and more encryption.

[Krazy]

That's the job of scum in semi-opens

Crumb every possible role

Be all prs. Simultaneously

[bugspray]

Honestly this is stegonograohy and definitely falls under the category of encryption. There's a hidden message and you need to know a secret to get the plaintext from the ciphertext

[Datisi]

welp, no mod ever warned me about breaking the "no encryption" rule, and those 3 games had 3 different moderators, sooooooo ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[bugspray]

I'm not a crypto expert by any means but I have a vauge idea of how RSA works *waves hands while babbling about torsions and factoring the product of large primes* and I think that this definitely could be considered crypto

[bugspray]

I think it's maybe like theoretically weak enough crypto that it doesn't really matter

[N]

that's not what the encryption rule is for

it's so people don't go into games together with a predesigned code only they understand

[Awoo]

I thought it was to prevent everyone's first post from being "S%UsGJzqiYAqMADb4g7180^*CQ0ov@1WxdDuEG0kNfaTOxL!VXzv0$ffTpvkggkH^tsBv73kdxW1UyHeXThQFvHqtYTFsQ2BYEb", then when it's time to claim they post their private key and it decrypts into "Vanilla Townie"

[The Fonz]

I thought it was to prevent everyone's first post from being "S%UsGJzqiYAqMADb4g7180^*CQ0ov@1WxdDuEG0kNfaTOxL!VXzv0$ffTpvkggkH^tsBv73kdxW1UyHeXThQFvHqtYTFsQ2BYEb", then when it's time to claim they post their private key and it decrypts into "Vanilla Townie"

This. Adel tried to use that exact strategy repeatedly in around 2009 or something.

[The Fonz]

Actually Adel went further than that and tried to convince everyone they should do it because it prevents scum fake claiming and anyone who didn't was scum.

[Psyche]

i honestly respect her for that

[popsofctown]

I always crumb with some kind of obscure pop culture reference or something instead of letter patterns.
I kind of agree with bugspray that maybe the tolerance of "here's which letters are significant" crumbs isn't really unified or consistent with the rule against cryptography.
I feel like I could always find an obscure enough pop culture reference to manage the same thing, with a little more work though. In a sense explaining what I'm referencing is "decrypting". So the thing you would have to ban is "explaining your crumbs?"

The big difference between this Adel anecdote I hadn't heard of before and both Datisi and my crumbs is that Adel's method/mandate restricts one to a single claim by pointing out the one post containing it. Both his and mine would have risk of scum cracking them if I pointed out the exact post and then for that reason I have an excuse to make seven of them littered through several posts if I wanted to as scum.

Smalltowns and all VT opens are great people by the way.

[northsidegal]

i think the idea as to why adel's cryptography strategy is a rule violation while an obscure reference isn't is that presumably when adel wishes to decrypt her role she provides some kind of key and then anyone can confirm that the original message decrypts to what she says it does, whereas a pop culture reference can plausibly have created after the fact and doesn't

provably

"decrypt" to what you might say it does.

or, to put it another way, encrypting your role in your first post is completely uncrackable and is provable as your sole intention, whereas crumbing can (theoretically) be seen by scum and cannot be proven to be a) what you originally meant or b) the sole role that you've crumbed.

with that in mind, if cryptography weren't banned then what adel did would basically become the optimal strategy in every single game and anyone who didn't do it would probably either be scum or playing to future win conditions. arguably, it creates a worse game. crumbing being allowed doesn't necessarily make it the best strategy for every person in every single game (unless you're weird like Almost50 and you crumb being VT), nor would i argue that it ruins or even negatively impacts games because of its being allowed.

[northsidegal]

although i wonder how easy it would be to crack someone's role if you knew what you were searching for? like, if you knew that they crumbed one out of "vanilla townie, VT, villager" and other such roles and you had that limited to some kind of small list, would that make it easy to crack what they were saying? (if they encrypted their role with cryptography, i mean. not crumbed)

i'm not sure.


(as a side note, i once included Adel as a PR that was allowed to use encryption in a game i modded. nothing that interesting came out of it)

[Psyche]

what makes this fundamentally different from cryptography except that it's just not as deliberate as that?
unless you're really lazy about it, crumbing seems just like what adele did except the code is your posts and the private key is the pattern you highlight when it's time to claim

[Alisae]

I used to crumb when I was new and really bad
now I am not new and not really bad
I don't crumb

[RadiantCowbells]

setting up crumb strategies is small brain

big brain is going back through the game and trying to figure out what you can spin as a crumb for the role that you want to claim

[northsidegal]

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