Vigilante Mafia

[ambic]

I used to mod a number of games on the grey labyrinth, mainly because I sucked at playing. My games were known for being whimsical and creative. (eg Far Side Mafia, where everyone was a Gary Larson cartoon).

One variant I never did, but always wanted to do was a vigilante game where everyone was a day vig. For an old timers (Mostly Retired mafia players only) game, I'm going to resurrect the dream of doing this

At the moment the rules are:
1. Every one is a one shot day vig, both town and mafia
2. If you vig someone, the day doesnt end, but carries on. If the killing reduces the number required to lynch, the number will be reduced 96 hours later, so that a vig doesnt result in an instant lynch. (Giving people time to unvote; start a new bandwagon etc)
3. If you vig a townie, you die too. (Including mafia)
4. Max number of Vig kills in a day will be ~2.
5. No other power roles, or limited to one investigative or protective role. (Undecided on this front)

Rule 3 is to stop the game being a fast bloodbath. The one vigilante game I know of ended fast, as every kill resulted in someone else killing the vigilante.

Lynching, Mafia Kills at night all occur as per normal otherwise.

I'm looking for ideas to avoid the scenarios where Vig Killing is so risky that it never happens. AND also avoiding Vig Killing being so attractive that the game finishes 40 posts in. And ideas people think will make the game both balanced and fun for the players.

[mith]

I'd be wary of the vigs just becoming town controlled (i.e. directing suspect A to shoot suspect B; or even just to shoot without defining a target). Not convinced it's a broken strategy, but it would have the benefit of sometimes forcing scum to shoot (either each other, or town and dying themselves, or refusing and being shot by someone else).

[ambic]

A couple of other concepts then

Concept 1

Everyone has unlimited vig kills, but with the following caveats:
-Max of Successful 2 vig kills in any one day OR max of 2 attempts in any one day (in order recieved).
-Vig kills have a 50% chance of failing
-Successful Vig Kills announced at lynch.
-Players will not know if their choice failed because of the 50% rule or because two other players got in first

Concept 2

The penalty for vigging town is currently that you both die. That might reduce numbers too quickly. Instead if you kill town, 50% chance you die, 50% chance they die. If hit scum, 100% they die. Vigging is done via PM only, during the day, but announced at night/Twilight.
-Add a Jester. The Jester must be vigged. If the jester survives to the end, they win. Lynches AND Mafia kills on the player will fail. A vig attempt on the Jester has a 100% success rate.

[BBmolla]

Wasn't there a game where everyone was a dayvig and fritzler did something or another

[Talitha]

Good thinking there is bound to have been something.

Ooh found this: viewtopic.php?f=56&t=1217

[Talitha]

Ah that's right. We no-lynched and coordinated our vig kills FTW

[Ramcius]

Wasn't there a game where everyone was a dayvig and fritzler did something or another

You mean this viewtopic.php?f=56&t=76118?

[BBmolla]

Found it, bad idea mafia

viewtopic.php?f=56&t=2679&hilit=Bad+idea+mafia

[ambic]

Oh yeah, i was aware it had been done, and poorly. I wanted to try it, but better

[LicketyQuickety]

Why not just remove the penalty of shooting Town and have everyone a 1-shot?

[ambic]

The game is now running. Think I came up with a working scheme. Ill share later in here

[LicketyQuickety]

Thanks.

[Porkens]

I was thinking in the car today, as I drove past a gun show, about a gun giver games and roles like "authorized gun dealer" who does an alignment check before giving a gun, or being able to pick up someone else's gun or something like that. Bouncing bullet and dodging mechanics might be interesting as well. excited to hear how the game goes.

[ambic]

You can always sign up as a replacement. We may need them in future.

[ambic]

Im possibly looking for a replacement player in Vigilante Mafia, an old timers game featuring players from years ago.

[McMenno]

this sounds like a bad idea

[ambic]

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