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Post Post #0 (ISO) » Sat Oct 03, 2020 3:34 am

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i want all the fun attached to playing mafia but none of the stress or time consumption associated

waht brain tricks do i implement for this to be possible ?
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Post Post #1 (ISO) » Sat Oct 03, 2020 3:43 am

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I think most people's go-to for this is "join a hydra with the understanding I might flake and leave you solo"
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Post Post #2 (ISO) » Sat Oct 03, 2020 4:06 am

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among us, presumably
did another ms user do something lovely? recognize their achievements here!

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Post Post #3 (ISO) » Sat Oct 03, 2020 4:10 am

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I would imagine the answer here is not as simple as "stop taking the game so seriously", though that is the end goal.

If you just sat down to a game and told yourself "I'm not going to wallpost, I'm not going to ISO dive, I'm not going to obsess over getting people to listen to me, and I'm not going to care if I lose as long as I had a good time", what would happen? I assume that would fail, since you can't just edit your desires on a whim. But do you know exactly what would go wrong?
It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!
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Post Post #4 (ISO) » Sat Oct 03, 2020 4:11 am

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In post 2, Errantparabola wrote:among us, presumably
This is a good point, too-- a lot of other games do provide the fun of social deduction without as much stress. But you do need a good group.
It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!
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Post Post #5 (ISO) » Sat Oct 03, 2020 5:27 am

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Play games for fun not for srs :)

Works for me!
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Post Post #6 (ISO) » Sat Oct 03, 2020 7:14 am

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In post 1, Isis wrote:I think most people's go-to for this is "join a hydra with the understanding I might flake and leave you solo"
lol what im trying to avoid

also are you
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In post 2, Errantparabola wrote:among us, presumably
pReSuMaBlY
In post 3, Something_Smart wrote:I would imagine the answer here is not as simple as "stop taking the game so seriously", though that is the end goal.

If you just sat down to a game and told yourself "I'm not going to wallpost, I'm not going to ISO dive, I'm not going to obsess over getting people to listen to me, and I'm not going to care if I lose as long as I had a good time", what would happen? I assume that would fail, since you can't just edit your desires on a whim. But do you know exactly what would go wrong?
i like this suggestion

no wallposts
no ISO dives
not giving a shit if people listen

good 3-part rule
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Post Post #7 (ISO) » Sat Oct 03, 2020 7:20 am

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I used to be pops, I've been reborn!
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Post Post #8 (ISO) » Sat Oct 03, 2020 7:39 am

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ego for similar problems/interest in the answers

my solution has been mish mash and getting into modding, plus a few mental health breaks, but I wish I was more open to playing with the problems we have firing games right now
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Post Post #9 (ISO) » Sat Oct 03, 2020 7:44 am

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Post Post #10 (ISO) » Sat Oct 03, 2020 3:07 pm

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On this site, there will always always always be time commitments past a certain point and in bad rng situations, always inevitably situations where due to the unique combination of players and game mechanics, stress comes up.

But in general, to minimize them: play more casually, and not super-tryhard. You lose competency as both town/scum because if you play the game super-seriously as either scum or town you will in general perform much better than you would otherwise, but playing more casually is a lifesaver. Play in one or two games at most; play in games where there's simple mechanics that're easy to understand, but ideally also unique mechanics assuming it's a theme game. Games that have something that gives a neat spin, but doesn't consume the entirety of the game.

Don't take effort to make big walls, or be too afraid of not reading everything. Skim, skip if needed, pages, and engage only in what interests you. Don't engage in every possible subject; engage only in the ones that you most want to. Said subjects need not be game-related; banter can help as well.

Do all of these, and you'll be a significantly less competent player, but you'll have more fun and be far less stressed overall.

Also, in general: play with a mixture of players who you know well and enjoy playing with, and players you don't know. (Playing exclusively with players you don't know is generally not that fun; playing exclusively with players you know well and enjoy playing with usually doesn't pan out in practice no matter what the theory may be, so combine the two.) Obviously, avoid playing with players you know you don't enjoy playing with. (Not necessarily a hard-blacklist, but soft-blacklist of sorts.)

Having variety, but in a controlled amount, is a great way to continue to have fun in the game and avoid getting stressed. Time commitments are a bit of an issue regardless, tho.
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Post Post #11 (ISO) » Sat Oct 03, 2020 3:53 pm

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In post 10, mastina wrote:Also, in general: play with a mixture of players who you know well and enjoy playing with, and players you don't know. (Playing exclusively with players you don't know is generally not that fun; playing exclusively with players you know well and enjoy playing with usually doesn't pan out in practice no matter what the theory may be, so combine the two.)
I like this advice!
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Post Post #12 (ISO) » Sat Oct 03, 2020 8:15 pm

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In post 3, Something_Smart wrote:I would imagine the answer here is not as simple as "stop taking the game so seriously", though that is the end goal.

If you just sat down to a game and told yourself "I'm not going to wallpost, I'm not going to ISO dive,
I'm not going to obsess over getting people to listen to me
, and I'm not going to care if I lose as long as I had a good time", what would happen? I assume that would fail, since you can't just edit your desires on a whim. But do you know exactly what would go wrong?
Probably get misexecuted? I actually enjoy ISO diving but I should probably do less of the bolded. I can have a good time if I lose if I believe I played well, as well as not misexecuting stong townreads because I either doubt myself or get talked into that.
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Post Post #13 (ISO) » Sat Oct 03, 2020 8:21 pm

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In post 0, Taly wrote:i want all the fun attached to playing mafia but none of the stress or time consumption associated

waht brain tricks do i implement for this to be possible ?





This is your optimal solution.
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Post Post #14 (ISO) » Sun Oct 04, 2020 12:44 am

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In post 6, Taly wrote:
In post 5, Aristophanes wrote:Play games for fun not for srs :)

Works for me!
VOTE: Aristophanes
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Post Post #15 (ISO) » Sun Oct 04, 2020 3:54 am

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In post 10, mastina wrote:On this site, there will always always always be time commitments past a certain point and in bad rng situations, always inevitably situations where due to the unique combination of players and game mechanics, stress comes up.

But in general, to minimize them: play more casually, and not super-tryhard. You lose competency as both town/scum because if you play the game super-seriously as either scum or town you will in general perform much better than you would otherwise, but playing more casually is a lifesaver. Play in one or two games at most; play in games where there's simple mechanics that're easy to understand, but ideally also unique mechanics assuming it's a theme game. Games that have something that gives a neat spin, but doesn't consume the entirety of the game.

Don't take effort to make big walls, or be too afraid of not reading everything. Skim, skip if needed, pages, and engage only in what interests you. Don't engage in every possible subject; engage only in the ones that you most want to. Said subjects need not be game-related; banter can help as well.

Do all of these, and you'll be a significantly less competent player, but you'll have more fun and be far less stressed overall.

Also, in general: play with a mixture of players who you know well and enjoy playing with, and players you don't know. (Playing exclusively with players you don't know is generally not that fun; playing exclusively with players you know well and enjoy playing with usually doesn't pan out in practice no matter what the theory may be, so combine the two.) Obviously, avoid playing with players you know you don't enjoy playing with. (Not necessarily a hard-blacklist, but soft-blacklist of sorts.)

Having variety, but in a controlled amount, is a great way to continue to have fun in the game and avoid getting stressed. Time commitments are a bit of an issue regardless, tho.
really enjoying this reply, especially the variety aspect keeping the game fresh

but i will say, as a wallposter, as someone who usually reads and rereads so much, i dont think my competency will be hurt if i stopped taking the game as seriously.

im a logical player but an emotional person... frustration and burnout greatly impact my ability to think clearly. so i might have more fun AND be more competent

i think your assessment is true in most cases though, and may still apply to me
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Post Post #16 (ISO) » Sun Oct 04, 2020 6:08 am

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I agree that wallposts are bad - personally I tend to ignore them, I forget what person was talking about, when I'm halfway through it :lol: another issue with wallposts is that there a lot of accusations in it and as a scum you don't need to defend yourself against all of them, it's mindblowing, I know, but people would trust you, if you prove some accusations wrong and just leave alone accusations you can't explain, therefore less is more.

ISO diving is fine, but in moderation, trying to bring stuff from long time ago is often pointless as people don't want to reinvestigate things they already discussed

But if you don't care, if people listen to you, then why do you play mafia at all? You can just read game and try to solve it without participating in it, would be same effect
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Post Post #17 (ISO) » Sun Oct 04, 2020 8:54 am

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In post 16, Ramcius wrote:I agree that wallposts are bad - personally I tend to ignore them, I forget what person was talking about, when I'm halfway through it :lol: another issue with wallposts is that there a lot of accusations in it and as a scum you don't need to defend yourself against all of them, it's mindblowing, I know, but people would trust you, if you prove some accusations wrong and just leave alone accusations you can't explain, therefore less is more.

ISO diving is fine, but in moderation, trying to bring stuff from long time ago is often pointless as people don't want to reinvestigate things they already discussed

But if you don't care, if people listen to you, then why do you play mafia at all? You can just read game and try to solve it without participating in it, would be same effect
I meant, I'm not going to become frustrated when people don't listen, as that has been my experience as someone who walls often. (Perhaps that will change upon a communication style overhaul.)

Also, I don't think I'm a charismatic player. My tonal range is jarringly broad.
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Post Post #18 (ISO) » Sun Oct 04, 2020 10:36 am

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In post 16, Ramcius wrote:I agree that wallposts are bad - personally I tend to ignore them, I forget what person was talking about, when I'm halfway through it :lol: another issue with wallposts is that there a lot of accusations in it and as a scum you don't need to defend yourself against all of them, it's mindblowing, I know, but people would trust you, if you prove some accusations wrong and just leave alone accusations you can't explain, therefore less is more.

ISO diving is fine, but in moderation, trying to bring stuff from long time ago is often pointless as people don't want to reinvestigate things they already discussed

But if you don't care, if people listen to you, then why do you play mafia at all? You can just read game and try to solve it without participating in it, would be same effect
What’s really ironic to me is that Mastina’s advice works great for me when I’m either scum or am pretty much clueless as to what’s happening in a game as town but unfortunately people tend to sometimes misread frustration at not being listened to as scum indicative, because they incorrectly believe that scum plays with a one size fits all kind of mentality basically. Iow, any type of aggression=scum, which is actually only true for some players and may in fact be the complete opposite for others.
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Post Post #19 (ISO) » Sun Oct 04, 2020 10:39 am

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In post 17, Taly wrote:
In post 16, Ramcius wrote:I agree that wallposts are bad - personally I tend to ignore them, I forget what person was talking about, when I'm halfway through it :lol: another issue with wallposts is that there a lot of accusations in it and as a scum you don't need to defend yourself against all of them, it's mindblowing, I know, but people would trust you, if you prove some accusations wrong and just leave alone accusations you can't explain, therefore less is more.

ISO diving is fine, but in moderation, trying to bring stuff from long time ago is often pointless as people don't want to reinvestigate things they already discussed

But if you don't care, if people listen to you, then why do you play mafia at all? You can just read game and try to solve it without participating in it, would be same effect
I meant, I'm not going to become frustrated when people don't listen, as that has been my experience as someone who walls often. (Perhaps that will change upon a communication style overhaul.)

Also, I don't think I'm a charismatic player. My tonal range is jarringly broad.
No one posts gifs more charismatically than you do. You possess an uniquely brilliant way of just happening to post the perfect gif at the exact right time, which is one of the main reasons (there are many others) I enjoy playing with you.
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Post Post #20 (ISO) » Mon Oct 05, 2020 2:18 am

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In post 17, Taly wrote:
In post 16, Ramcius wrote:I agree that wallposts are bad - personally I tend to ignore them, I forget what person was talking about, when I'm halfway through it :lol: another issue with wallposts is that there a lot of accusations in it and as a scum you don't need to defend yourself against all of them, it's mindblowing, I know, but people would trust you, if you prove some accusations wrong and just leave alone accusations you can't explain, therefore less is more.

ISO diving is fine, but in moderation, trying to bring stuff from long time ago is often pointless as people don't want to reinvestigate things they already discussed

But if you don't care, if people listen to you, then why do you play mafia at all? You can just read game and try to solve it without participating in it, would be same effect
I meant, I'm not going to become frustrated when people don't listen, as that has been my experience as someone who walls often. (Perhaps that will change upon a communication style overhaul.)

Also, I don't think I'm a charismatic player. My tonal range is jarringly broad.
Good luck with that, I couldn't. I just couldn't stand and watch people doing nothing and ignoring everything I say, so it was a bit since I joined a game
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Post Post #21 (ISO) » Mon Oct 05, 2020 2:20 am

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In post 18, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 16, Ramcius wrote:I agree that wallposts are bad - personally I tend to ignore them, I forget what person was talking about, when I'm halfway through it :lol: another issue with wallposts is that there a lot of accusations in it and as a scum you don't need to defend yourself against all of them, it's mindblowing, I know, but people would trust you, if you prove some accusations wrong and just leave alone accusations you can't explain, therefore less is more.

ISO diving is fine, but in moderation, trying to bring stuff from long time ago is often pointless as people don't want to reinvestigate things they already discussed

But if you don't care, if people listen to you, then why do you play mafia at all? You can just read game and try to solve it without participating in it, would be same effect
What’s really ironic to me is that Mastina’s advice works great for me when I’m either scum or am pretty much clueless as to what’s happening in a game as town but unfortunately people tend to sometimes misread frustration at not being listened to as scum indicative, because they incorrectly believe that scum plays with a one size fits all kind of mentality basically. Iow, any type of aggression=scum, which is actually only true for some players and may in fact be the complete opposite for others.
True story - I was misexecuted way too much D1, when I started here just for playing aggressive :lol:
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Post Post #22 (ISO) » Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:14 am

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How about that.
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Post Post #23 (ISO) » Mon Oct 05, 2020 3:38 pm

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I think in order to handle stress that comes up, if it's inevitable, it would actually be better to take a more competitive approach to mafia, as well as realizing it's a game. That seems to work for me so far.
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Post Post #24 (ISO) » Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:41 pm

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I think getting drunk/stoned or otherwise inebriated is a vastly underrated strategy.
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Nancy-scum feels like a hot knife slicing through butter. Nancy-town feels like a magnifying glass in the sun glaring down at an insect.
~Taly
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