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Post Post #100 (ISO) » Fri Jan 15, 2021 5:22 pm

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I'm never gonna get any criticism because I'm perfect at the game of Mafia.
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Post Post #101 (ISO) » Fri Jan 15, 2021 6:25 pm

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/out!

Thanks mush.
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Post Post #102 (ISO) » Sat Jan 16, 2021 4:37 pm

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In post 99, NotAJumbleOfNumbers wrote:still want to get reviewed, mostly on how to not flake out
i think it would be super helpful for you to just post your thoughts in game, even if you think they're obvious or unhelpful. it would make it a bit easier for people to read you and see where you're coming from, and help you get into the game more
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Post Post #103 (ISO) » Sat Jan 16, 2021 5:47 pm

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In post 99, NotAJumbleOfNumbers wrote:still want to get reviewed, mostly on how to not flake out
just post so you don't get replaced?

or is forgetting about posting in games an actual serious problem for you to the point where you end up inadvertently flaking

need elaboration here
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Post Post #104 (ISO) » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:43 am

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Post Post #105 (ISO) » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:46 pm

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In post 103, petapan wrote:
In post 99, NotAJumbleOfNumbers wrote:still want to get reviewed, mostly on how to not flake out
just post so you don't get replaced?

or is forgetting about posting in games an actual serious problem for you to the point where you end up inadvertently flaking

need elaboration here
Same, and maybe linked games - I think ppl who've known me on-site for awhile know I flake out on the regular too... happy to offer you feedback on some of my own "triggers" for various reasons I've flaked at times.

It could be RL, in which case, self-imposed game limits and such can be useful...
or the mods will enforce them for you if you flake enough or ask rly nicely lmao
... it could be an interaction with a fellow player, in which case talk to your mod. It's why they're there, and the vast majority of mods don't bite; they're more than willing to help with most issues that may be having an effect on your enjoyment of the game.

Your flaking could also be feeling like a game isn't what you wanted, in which case replace out! It's 100% ok to do so in 99% of games and usually helps your slot in the game, tbh. (Regardless of what players or mods might say, in practice a replace out, even if not tactical, will
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over you as a player remaining in the game if you're feeling apathetic or mentally pushed into a corner IRL
. That said, if you have read this and think I'm encouraging you or anybody else to just replace out when under pressure as Scum, you're silly and you should feel silly. I'm offering this advice from the perspective of somebody who has flaked, to somebody else who flakes, who may not feel that it is a viable option to voluntarily leave a game before flaking becomes a problem for them and their faction.)

You need to give yourself permission to leave a game sometimes if it's just not working for you, because despite you saying you want advice on how to not "flake out," one of the reasons I'm personally asking for more context is because circumstances sometimes mean it is 100% ok to "flake out" of a game (though I'm sure most would
prefer
you replace out before that is an issue), and I don't want any discussion/feedback here to invalidate that truth.
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Post Post #106 (ISO) » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:48 pm

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also /in

I'll link some games in a bit; I'm sure there's a lot of
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Post Post #107 (ISO) » Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:58 pm

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/in

Would always love to improve
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Post Post #108 (ISO) » Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:25 pm

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hey guys sorry i havent updated the thread in a while.

ill do so sometime soon :c maybe tomorrow after work
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Post Post #109 (ISO) » Tue Feb 02, 2021 6:05 am

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In post 85, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I suck, especially as scum.
Plz help.
You don’t even need to give me constructive criticism about how to improve. Just roast me.
My humble opinion on scum!Norwe:
I think first you need to recognize that you generally, or at least often in my opinion, don't enjoy playing scum a lot. Many people don't, including me nowadays, which means you probably need to adapt a strategy to make your scum game easier on your shoulders rather than aggressively try to replicate your town meta, because that either highlights to people notice how different than usual you're being, or it makes you've apathy towards the game/lurk it out/not enjoy it.

If I was in your shoes, I would try to make my scum game about subtly buddying people/slipping into the townblock rather than actively try to miseliminate players or control the thread. It's a much less stressful playstyle, and you could do all but engage players with questions, commentaries about their reads, and minor discussions with them about the difference in your "reads".

I can't say about whether this would result in higher winrates, I only theorize it may feel easier/more fun for you to play, and that's what should count probably?

If people ever get to classify your meta as "Norwe does this X as scum", you can simply mess with them and mix a bit with your older style as you see fit. Replicating your meta as either alignment is a bit overrated, because meta reads aren't very good in average without properly datamining stuff.

About town!Norwe, I don't have any recommendations to say.

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Post Post #110 (ISO) » Tue Feb 02, 2021 6:14 am

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In post 99, NotAJumbleOfNumbers wrote:still want to get reviewed, mostly on how to not flake out
I think actively/forcibly engaging with a few players that you like in the game, be it for alignment or non-alignment reasons, would make the game more fun to you therefore making you more engaged?

It's hard to get into a game where you don't feel your voice is being heard, or people are all against/biased on you, so finding a few people to work with from the first few days/pages may make the game more enjoyable in my opinion. Looking for games with playerlists you enjoy is also good advice probably, the game is much more enjoyable when you're playing with people you feel comfortable be it for their personality or playstyle.

(Disclaimer: my opinion, and honestly I don't have figured out how to enjoy mafia games at all, although the above did help towards it).
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Post Post #111 (ISO) » Tue Feb 02, 2021 6:18 am

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/in just in case anyone is interested on saying anything to me as well I suppose.

(Fumuki's alt, and I added in Fumuki's signature all my most known alts).
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"Not if it was Volpe's PLAN all along that we lim him and when he flips red we think Wooper is scum"
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Post Post #112 (ISO) » Tue Feb 02, 2021 7:14 am

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tfw you use an alt to criticize players

(would still like some insight btw peoples)
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Post Post #113 (ISO) » Tue Feb 02, 2021 7:19 am

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In post 112, Gypyx wrote:tfw you use an alt to criticize players

(would still like some insight btw peoples)
I mostly play in alts, I would post this on a popular main if I had one, but most people that know me, know me as an alt player.

I don't know what difference it would make to post in any of my accounts.

(80% of people that know me, also instantly recognize my alts).
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Post Post #114 (ISO) » Tue Feb 02, 2021 7:58 am

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yeah i get it, just joking around
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Post Post #115 (ISO) » Tue Feb 02, 2021 8:23 am

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In post 113, Shirou wrote:80% of people that know me, also instantly recognize my alts
anime girl avi? check. hyper posty? check. Japanese name? check. seeming familiarity with the meta of everyone on site? check. memes? check.
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Post Post #116 (ISO) » Tue Feb 02, 2021 8:56 am

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Damn Mena you don't have to rub it in so hard, I have some variety
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Post Post #117 (ISO) » Tue Feb 02, 2021 8:57 am

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In post 116, Krazy wrote:Damn Mena you don't have to rub it in so hard, I have some variety
Sorry guys, posted in the wrong account
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"Not if it was Volpe's PLAN all along that we lim him and when he flips red we think Wooper is scum"
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Post Post #118 (ISO) » Tue Feb 02, 2021 10:13 am

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In post 113, Shirou wrote:
In post 112, Gypyx wrote:tfw you use an alt to criticize players

(would still like some insight btw peoples)
I mostly play in alts, I would post this on a popular main if I had one, but most people that know me, know me as an alt player.

I don't know what difference it would make to post in any of my accounts.

(80% of people that know me, also instantly recognize my alts).
can't really evaluate a player if I don't know their play
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Post Post #119 (ISO) » Tue Feb 02, 2021 10:13 am

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oh it's just you
idk what you struggle with in your play so idk what advice I can really give
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Post Post #120 (ISO) » Tue Feb 02, 2021 10:50 am

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I'm not actually Shirou btw :P
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Post Post #121 (ISO) » Tue Feb 02, 2021 10:53 am

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@Gyphx, since you soundly beat me and you never got eliminated it seems to be that any advice I would give should be taken with a grain of salt.
Instead, I'll just say what pinged me as things you need to fake to fool me in the future.

1. Less vagueness on reads or avoidance of taking stances. Or maybe better put, there was intentional intangibility to your positions that was fairly apparent.
2. More evolution in detail from day phase to day phase on reads and thoughts on players.

That's kind of it? Those were the two things that really made me scum read you. It sounds like more experience in playing scum is the issue? I'm not sure how many times you've been scum.
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Post Post #122 (ISO) » Tue Feb 02, 2021 10:54 am

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Do one for me as well Bell (town or scum). I value your input
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Post Post #123 (ISO) » Tue Feb 02, 2021 10:58 am

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In post 121, Bell wrote:@Gyphx, since you soundly beat me and you never got eliminated it seems to be that any advice I would give should be taken with a grain of salt.
Instead, I'll just say what pinged me as things you need to fake to fool me in the future.

1. Less vagueness on reads or avoidance of taking stances. Or maybe better put, there was intentional intangibility to your positions that was fairly apparent.
2. More evolution in detail from day phase to day phase on reads and thoughts on players.

That's kind of it? Those were the two things that really made me scum read you. It sounds like more experience in playing scum is the issue? I'm not sure how many times you've been scum.
i've been scum 7 times, aka more than 50% of my games
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Post Post #124 (ISO) » Tue Feb 02, 2021 10:58 am

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thanks for the advice regardless, i'll try to apply it
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