Term Replacement: "Sanity"

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Term Replacement: "Sanity"

Post Post #0 (ISO) » Mon Apr 12, 2021 4:11 pm

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Sorry for being the inside-the-box person in the last thread (for the record, I've read through some of the suggestions and I think they're great), but I've just noticed that "Sanity" is a word we use to describe reliability of investigative roles, and it's a mental health term too...yikes. Anyone have replacement suggestions for those words?
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Post Post #1 (ISO) » Mon Apr 12, 2021 4:46 pm

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I feel like this is a bit too much. I highly doubt that (also suicide bomber, terrorists are nothing like suicidal people) would trigger someone.

But you could use "Inverted Cop" I guess.
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Post Post #2 (ISO) » Mon Apr 12, 2021 4:47 pm

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Also I admin a Discord server (unrelated to mafia) you're in, Jumble... was kinda surprised to see you here. It's a small net.
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Post Post #3 (ISO) » Mon Apr 12, 2021 4:49 pm

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Wait really?
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Post Post #4 (ISO) » Mon Apr 12, 2021 4:51 pm

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NVM you left by the looks of it. It is the HyperRogue server.

But yeah I feel like this is a solution in need of a problem. "Elimination" I understand and am fine with but I disagree with this and the previous thread.
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Post Post #5 (ISO) » Mon Apr 12, 2021 4:52 pm

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I'm still in that server?
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Post Post #6 (ISO) » Mon Apr 12, 2021 4:53 pm

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Oh. I missed you on the member list then.
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Post Post #7 (ISO) » Mon Apr 12, 2021 5:11 pm

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I don't really feel this term replacement is necessary as sanities are kinda something both historical and not really used in much setups nowadays outside stuff like Grand Idea Mafia.

This feels like a solution in need of a problem.



Here is my attempt at a term replacement for the (cop) sanities, but this is not something I'd use.

Sanity - Reliability
Sane - Reliable
Insane - Inverse
Paranoid - False Positive
Naive - False Negative
Random - Random
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Post Post #8 (ISO) » Mon Apr 12, 2021 8:42 pm

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Are you kidding me? What's next?

We shouldn't use roles because bad mechanical role play could offend the good name of the real life cops, doctors, bus drivers etc.

We shouldnt use masons and masonizers because secret societies might feel offended.

We shouldnt call people scum because well some players dont realize that mafia is a bubble where we are allowed to call each other scum without it being a personal attack.
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Post Post #9 (ISO) » Mon Apr 12, 2021 8:49 pm

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Let's ban elimination and nightkills, let's all live in peace and love. Surely everyone can get along?
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Post Post #10 (ISO) » Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:46 am

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In post 8, Guillotina wrote:Are you kidding me? What's next?

We shouldn't use roles because bad mechanical role play could offend the good name of the real life cops, doctors, bus drivers etc.

We shouldnt use masons and masonizers because secret societies might feel offended.

We shouldnt call people scum because well some players dont realize that mafia is a bubble where we are allowed to call each other scum without it being a personal attack.
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Post Post #11 (ISO) » Tue Apr 13, 2021 6:07 am

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Jokes aside we've made some worthwhile terminology changes in the recent past.
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Post Post #12 (ISO) » Tue Apr 13, 2021 6:22 am

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Yeah but at some point it's just a waste of time and effort for things very few are offended by anyways.
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Post Post #13 (ISO) » Tue Apr 13, 2021 6:26 am

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I'd agree if you said none rather than few.
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Post Post #14 (ISO) » Tue Apr 13, 2021 6:35 am

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If we're considering mental health terms in Mafia to be lava, I'd term replace Psychologist (a Normal role!) and Psychiatrist before term replacing sanities (the latter is usually hidden from the player in Bastard games anyway).

I don't agree with this as it feels like we're on a slippery slope and I imagine the "sanities" are innocuous enough to not require term replacement even in theory.
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Post Post #15 (ISO) » Tue Apr 13, 2021 6:39 am

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I think you're almost certainly right and also that there are better ways to tell if anyone is offended than just assuming, as ~20 years of site history shows. I think we broadly recognized when we did make changes that they were long overdue.
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Post Post #16 (ISO) » Tue Apr 13, 2021 6:43 am

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In post 15, Ythan wrote:I think you're almost certainly right and also that there are better ways to tell if anyone is offended than just assuming, as ~20 years of site history shows. I think we broadly recognized when we did make changes that they were long overdue.
I mean yeah, this thread does have value because it actually asks the question instead of making blind assumptions.
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Post Post #17 (ISO) » Tue Apr 13, 2021 6:54 am

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These questions are worthwhile to ask, so I ask that people aren't dismissive when someone brings up an idea for a term replacement. Lynch was long overdue, so long, that we were among the last major sites to get rid of it. It's worth asking these questions because we were so late on that change. It doesn't mean that everything or anything will be replaced, but the conversations are worthwhile.
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Post Post #18 (ISO) » Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:03 am

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I don't think anyone has or will benefit from any term changes in this game, as they have nothing to do with the function of the game (and policing established terms can alienate people on top of it)
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Post Post #19 (ISO) » Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:04 am

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sorry for being dismissive but I'm kinda burned out from term replacements

I'd like more opinions as I consider this still a very open question

pedit: term replacements are intended to remove potentially distressing terminology. The L-word was burned into our minds as recalling a past of racial violence and the self-death word is a very real mental health trigger.
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Post Post #20 (ISO) » Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:06 am

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In post 18, samantha97 wrote:(and policing established terms can alienate people on top of it)
So does a game about lynching.
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Post Post #21 (ISO) » Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:12 am

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I feel the need to point out the term "
Paranoid
Gun Owner" in this thread. I personally would find it more offensive than the cop sanities but ymmv.

PGO really is just a Reflexive Vigilante so actually finding a replacement for it is not necessary, more so just phasing out the term PGO.
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Post Post #22 (ISO) » Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:12 am

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In post 20, Ythan wrote:So does a game about lynching.
so does a game about killing people in general

let's make it g rated with pillowfights
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Post Post #23 (ISO) » Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:17 am

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In post 22, samantha97 wrote:
In post 20, Ythan wrote:So does a game about lynching.
so does a game about killing people in general

let's make it g rated with pillowfights
I don't think I need to relitigate this already won battle lol
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Post Post #24 (ISO) » Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:42 pm

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Still on the tangent of Paranoid Gun Owner, I think a 1:1 term replacement for it can be a Sentry or a Turret.

Speaking of sanities I still think "reliabilities" (as said by Jumble) make the most sense for cop sanities. IDK about sanities for other roles though, those can get themey flavorful replacements as sanities are something that should stay in Bastard games imo.
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