Do gendered role names make sense?

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Post Post #50 (ISO) » Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:02 am

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In post 48, Jake The Wolfie wrote:I honestly think it doesn't matter, all things considered. Unless we're actively missing out on new scummers because of this (or the current scummers we have feel offended by the gendered terminology), I don't think it's really necessary.
I think in a number of cases the term we have is just bleh for a reason and deserves to be updated regardless (See the list above).

I agree in that removing gendered terminology isn't important to me, but if it's important to somebody (I'm assuming from the existence of the thread in the first place that either TLich has had people comment or cares personally) then I don't see why we can't make the change before it becomes a bigger problem. I guess to me it's more a question of why not than why.
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Post Post #51 (ISO) » Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:02 am

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That's an unfortunate pagetop. The list is on the previous page.
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Post Post #52 (ISO) » Thu Apr 15, 2021 6:20 am

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I'm just asking this question because I noticed the prevalence of gendered role names and can see why it could be an issue. I didn't see anyone comment personally before this, I wanted to ask the question to see if it is an issue.
In post 35, TemporalLich wrote:Beloved Princess
Dreaming God (may or may not be gendered)
Godfather
Hero (again, may or may not be gendered)
Huntsman
Judas (this one is going to be really difficult to find another term for, as this is a proper noun)
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Kingmaker
(Normal role) Macho (this one gets in this list via being a word that means masculine)
(Normal role) Mailman
Phantom Queen
Priest (yet again, may or may not be gendered)
Prince
Saulus (this one is also going to be really difficult to find another term for, as this is a proper noun)
(Normal role) Strongman
Zombie Lord (this one is a stretch)


Monk may also be considered may or may not be gendered
quoting the list here just in case
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Post Post #53 (ISO) » Thu Apr 15, 2021 6:59 am

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In post 52, TemporalLich wrote:I'm just asking this question because I noticed the prevalence of gendered role names and can see why it could be an issue. I didn't see anyone comment personally before this, I wanted to ask the question to see if it is an issue.
Fair. I still stand by “I don’t care but if it’s reasonable that someone does why not?” but I apologize if I was putting the desire for change on your shoulders. And I think it’s reasonable to think that someone does.

I see this as a “worst case scenario: net 0 change” situation.
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Post Post #54 (ISO) » Fri Apr 16, 2021 3:10 pm

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I don't think it's a problem to have gendered roles. I don't think there is a strong need to have all roles become neutral however I think it's fine for mods to use neutral roles if they so wish. Basically unless a role comes off as offensive I don't see a strong need to change it as a standard.
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Post Post #55 (ISO) » Sat Apr 17, 2021 6:00 am

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viewtopic.php?f=5&t=86386

if you want to discuss term replacing Prince specifically here is the thread - but basically Prince is being considered for term replacement for flavor reasons as well as being gendered
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Post Post #56 (ISO) » Sat Apr 17, 2021 6:12 am

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I think Macho could be changed to Self-Reliant (as in you don't need anyone to help you)
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Post Post #57 (ISO) » Sat Apr 17, 2021 6:17 am

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Uncooperative or Unaccommodating could be used if it's desired that the term maintain a negative connotation.
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Post Post #58 (ISO) » Sat Apr 17, 2021 6:23 am

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In post 57, Jingle wrote:Uncooperative or Unaccommodating could be used if it's desired that the term maintain a negative connotation.
yeah that sounds better, macho is negative utility, but macho doesn't seem to be negative sounding to me
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Post Post #59 (ISO) » Sat Apr 17, 2021 6:24 am

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re-dropping hemophiliac as a macho replacement cuz i really like the idea, Uncooperative is cool too
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Post Post #60 (ISO) » Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:40 am

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I think Mafia Boss is a perfectly fine alternative to Godfather? Could even use "Boss" as a modifier like people are proposing for "Beloved". People will get the movie allusions even if you don't make them explicit.
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Post Post #61 (ISO) » Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:26 pm

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I could get behind Boss being an "investigates as town" modifier and making Alpha Werewolf and Godfather alternative names.

Works from a flavor stance regardless of scumteam.
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Post Post #62 (ISO) » Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:27 pm

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If we're looking for anti miller I think we can do better than boss.
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Post Post #63 (ISO) » Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:57 pm

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In post 62, Ythan wrote:If we're looking for anti miller I think we can do better than boss.
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