Stop removing dead players from the scum PT!

[NorwegianboyEE]

Nothing annoys me more than the moderator of a game completely removing my access to a scum PT when i die.
Why can’t the game hosts just have a little bit of faith in the dead players? If i die then i know it, i won’t post anymore, i don’t need to be forced outside of the topic. Let me observe what my team is doing and keep up to the game. Removing the possibility to keep observing is STUPID!

This has been an open letter to all game hosts to STOP removing a dead scum player’s access to the scum PT.

[Ythan]

On one hand, I can still read and believe I technically could post in the main thread of a game I'm dead in so sure.

On the other hand, scum topics are secret so nah.

[NorwegianboyEE]

On the other hand, scum topics are secret so nah.

Then explain the inconsistency of half the games i'm in not removing dead scum players ability to observe the scum PT while the other half does. Actually the ratio is probably more like 3/4 does allow observing and 1/4 does not. Which increases my annoyance because it seems to be accepted by 80% of game mods while a low 20% go through the hassle of removing it when i just want to know what my team is thinking while at the same time observing the main thread.
There is no purpose in keeping it hidden because: "scum PT are supposed to be secret", why does that even matter when the dead player in question already knows who the scum are and has most likely contributed heavily to the thread already?

[Guillotina]

I do it because i don't trust anybody to not cheat.

That said, what I've been doing is that if you die, you either keep access to the scum pt but do not gain access to the DVC

or

You lose access to the Scum PT and gain access to the DVC.

I don't know if that is possible here though.

[Ythan]

Spoiler:

On the other hand, scum topics are secret so nah.

Then explain the inconsistency of half the games i'm in not removing dead scum players ability to observe the scum PT while the other half does. Actually the ratio is probably more like 3/4 does allow observing and 1/4 does not. Which increases my annoyance because it seems to be accepted by 80% of game mods while a low 20% go through the hassle of removing it when i just want to know what my team is thinking while at the same time observing the main thread.
There is no purpose in keeping it hidden because: "scum PT are supposed to be secret", why does that even matter when the dead player in question already knows who the scum are and has most likely contributed heavily to the thread already?

Agreed.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yeah anti-cheat is probably the best counter-argument here.
But i raise you the statistics. How often does a scum player "cheat" by posting again in the scum PT? And how much of an advantage does that give really? If a player has already decided to cheat, there are a myriad of illegal ways they can achieve their agenda that completely bypasses the scum PT. They can just send a PM for gods sake, that's what most of the players that have been banned for have been doing anyway. It's better to just place your faith in the players moral integrity and will to keep the game pure, blocking access to scum PT does nothing to remedy cheating other than make the lives of the majority of honest players worse for the sake of nothing.

[Something_Smart]

I mean, at least here, you literally can't stop cheating. They can always send PM's. And I'd certainly prefer that someone who's willing to cheat do it somewhere I can see, so that they can actually be punished for it.

[fferyllt]

I don't remove dead players from the scum pt, unless some hypothetical game mechanic involving dead players would require it. Depending on the reason for the modkill, I would remove a modkilled scum player.

[Ircher]

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[NorwegianboyEE]

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=74668&hilit=dead

Wow, 3 years later and the problem is still not solved.

Just allow PT access kids.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I mean, at least here, you literally can't stop cheating. They can always send PM's. And I'd certainly prefer that someone who's willing to cheat do it somewhere I can see, so that they can actually be punished for it.

Discord, Pm's, you name it.
Obviously restricting PT access isn't going to do anything to stop cheaters

[Ythan]

I do think this should probably be at the mods' discretion but there's nothing wrong with making this probably consensus opinion known to those mods.

[skitter30]

I hate being removed from the scum pt upon dying

[samantha97]

I have no idea how this forum works but it'd be nice to have read permissions separate from write, if they aren't

[Cheery Dog]

Best way to avoid getting removed: Don't die!

I would only remove those that have replaced out if i were to mod again.

[Ythan]

I have no idea how this forum works but it'd be nice to have read permissions separate from write, if they aren't

That would be nice.

[Guillotina]

Yeah anti-cheat is probably the best counter-argument here.
But i raise you the statistics. How often does a scum player "cheat" by posting again in the scum PT? And how much of an advantage does that give really? If a player has already decided to cheat, there are a myriad of illegal ways they can achieve their agenda that completely bypasses the scum PT. They can just send a PM for gods sake, that's what most of the players that have been banned for have been doing anyway. It's better to just place your faith in the players moral integrity and will to keep the game pure, blocking access to scum PT does nothing to remedy cheating other than make the lives of the majority of honest players worse for the sake of nothing.

That is exactly why dead scum can't have access to both PTs (DVC + Mafia). Is not that I'm worried that they will post to the PT, it's that the dead scum that cheats can stay up to date with the decisions being made by the scum that is still alive and at the same time be getting spoilers in the DVC, then he can advise the scum team with the best course of action via private message. So the best solution is that if you allow the scum stay in the mafia PT, you don't give them access to the DVC and case solved.

[Ythan]

If you really wanna solve that problem you have to die in real life whenyou die in game.

[Ythan]

If you really wanna solve that problem you have to die in real life whenyou die in game.

Mods?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I actually had this gameshow in my mind where 13 people would be tossed into an enclosed prison and told to vote out a person to die in real life and it would be like a normal mafia game but completely twisted and mafia could shoot a sleeping person in the head during the "night" and etc.

[samantha97]

So the best solution is that if you allow the scum stay in the mafia PT, you don't give them access to the DVC and case solved.

ya keeping mafia out of dead chat is ideal so that the only form of cheating that can happen is 1 mafia outing the rest, regardless of mafia pt access

[Menalque]

Why does it matter if the cheating is effective or not, the game is still utterly compromised and nobody can win if that happens anyway

So it’s not really a good argument for removing access

[Jake The Wolfie]

That is exactly why dead scum can't have access to both PTs (DVC + Mafia). Is not that I'm worried that they will post to the PT, it's that the dead scum that cheats can stay up to date with the decisions being made by the scum that is still alive and at the same time be getting spoilers in the DVC, then he can advise the scum team with the best course of action via private message. So the best solution is that if you allow the scum stay in the mafia PT, you don't give them access to the DVC and case solved.

So the way to counter that is to use another form of communication, whether it be discord, texting, Telegram, or anything else.

Just get all the Mafia into one separate group chat that the Mod can't control, because the Mod thinks that there's totally no way that the scum can't untraceable communicate outside the site entirely.

If you're so afraid of cheating, then why bother playing in the first place? There are a plethora of methods that the players could use to cheat without being caught. Why try to stop this one method that can be so blatantly spotted and reported as to make it incredibly unlikely? Think like a cheater: How would you go about cheating in the most lazy, effective, and low-risk way possible? This certainly wouldn't make the top 100.

[Infinity 324]

The best argument for removing access is so that people don't post in the PT by accident, but saying that the player can't post when they die should be sufficient

[Jake The Wolfie]

The best argument for removing access is so that people don't post in the PT by accident, but saying that the player can't post when they die should be sufficient

So why don't we lock the players out of the main thread when they die?