Why is the Mini Theme Queue unpopular?
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unironically also this ^In post 23, NorwegianboyEE wrote:No anime games in signupsgiv me pagetop :(- Psyche
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I think this is it, we might not have the playercount to support all the queues and additionally when a queue dies down it tends to have a reinforcing effect.In post 27, Kerset wrote:I think that mini theme lost popularity exactly when open queue stopped being dead. There was an increased interest in reformed queue, so someone had to suffer.- PookyTheMagicalBear
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^ thisIn post 11, skitter30 wrote:I think the fact that games that dont fill in a timely fashion end up staying in the queue for a very long time is part of the problem
nobody wants to sign up for a game that won't fillShow"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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which is kind of a catch-22 lolShow"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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Fixed that for youIn post 31, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:nobody wants to sign up for a game that's not anime themed.Norwe is spontaneous, has a stream-of-consciouness posting style, usually posts on catch-ups by commenting on past pages posts, gets rather fired up in certain moments in games, is relatively as playful as me in games and likes casual shitposting
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this game has been in the q since may 9In post 8990, MariaR wrote:GAME 1
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they both have another 2 days until they're pulled, which seems excessively long for me, especialy for the first game that has been in the q for over a month. i think this is part of the problemIn post 9041, MariaR wrote:Both of these games have 2 days, 10 hours, 16 minutes to fill before they're pulledShowHiatus once more.
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I think the Normal queue has been stealing from the Mini Theme queue. The complexity of Normals has been getting higher and higher over the past several years, as has the set of allowed roles, and I think it's fulfilling much of the demand for more complex games that the Mini Theme queue would previously have handled. Meanwhile, the "weird/experimental" games (the other thing that mostly went through the Mini Theme queue) have now become a staple of the Micro queue, because if you're doing weird things with a mechanic, it normally makes sense to first try it out at a smaller size.
So the main purpose of the Mini Theme queue is now for "games based on source material", and I think the majority of our player base cares more about the mechanical and scumhunting aspects of the setup than they do about it having a flavour that they recognise from somewhere offsite (especially because there are plenty of mods here who are capable of making perfectly good flavours from scratch).
There's also something of a "mod expectations" issue, at least for me: when I do try to make a game based on source material, I can never get it into a position which I think is good enough / does enough justice to it, and thus end up simply not running it rather than running it anyway and making a game that i think isn't up to standards – I don't really want to take an existing theme and stick it onto an otherwise Normal setup that's unrelated to the theme, and I think the players don't either, but tying them together properly is something that can be surprisingly difficult.scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town- MURDERCAT
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I think that would result in more 16p games"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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I think one unsolvable problem is that it's just easier to sign up to a normal game than a theme game. You can mindlessly sign up to a mini normal, but you actually have to do your research before finding out what's inside of a mini theme.Show"I'm sorry that you put asbestos in your coffee."
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They're not competing businesses or something"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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what is your theory?In post 39, Isis wrote:They're not competing businesses or somethinggiv me pagetop :(- Jake The Wolfie
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I agree with you here, they aren't competing businesses. However, by the virtues of the Normal queue and the vices of the Theme queues, one is more popular than the other.In post 39, Isis wrote:They're not competing businesses or somethingShow"I'm sorry that you put asbestos in your coffee."
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part of the reason I say that is I played a HORRIBLY JANK 14p normal that has 2 mafia and an SK iirc, and only was made 14p because it was made after the rule change that make SKs disallowed in mini/micro normals
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I'm not sure it should be treated as a problem that the mini theme queue is less popular relative to other queues. There has to be a least popular queue."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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This is true, yes.In post 44, Isis wrote:I'm not sure it should be treated as a problem that the mini theme queue is less popular relative to other queues. There has to be a least popular queue.
It is also true that the Mini Theme queue performs well below what we would expect it to do, and that's the issue we're trying to address here.Show"I'm sorry that you put asbestos in your coffee."
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I ended up here for a similar reason. Not the game that hammered 5 days ago, but the game that should have gone into sign ups to replace it 5 days ago.In post 47, nomnomnom wrote:the mini queue has been frozen for 5 days now despite a game being hammered
I saw your game get hammered, and have been checking back every day, waiting for the next game so I can sign up for it. The game looks cool, and it already has 6 pre-ins, so I can't even pre-in for it:/Copyright © MafiaScum. All rights reserved.
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