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Post Post #200 (ISO) » Fri Mar 04, 2022 1:19 am

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Currently under Mini Theme queues, uPicks have "procedurally bastard dynamics" - which lumps it into the same category as
games where the moderator can outright rig the game
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A uPick without the possibility of bastard roles would be marked no for "mechanically bastard roles or mechanics" but that still means a role that enables direct mod influence like Moderator 1-shot Factional Kill Enabler would be able to exist.

Grand Idea is of course both mechanically and procedurally bastard for reasons anyone who knows what Grand Idea is should know.
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Post Post #201 (ISO) » Fri Mar 04, 2022 1:36 am

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The bastardy condition against non-randomness used to be
un-divulged
non-randomness in player role/alignment generation, which means that uPicks weren't bastard as the non-randomness was known in signups.
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Post Post #202 (ISO) » Fri Mar 04, 2022 7:29 pm

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I think there was a similar discussion in discord a couple months ago, which I was open to then and I’m still open to having, and might be better served in its own thread though.
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Post Post #203 (ISO) » Sat Mar 05, 2022 7:55 pm

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In post 183, lilith2013 wrote:I wasn't around at that time so I don't know if there was a specific incident that caused the change,
There was a hip fire modkill in 2018 team mafia and I may have semi ‘confed’ myself as town in a game by playing up the potential that I might have to be modkilled in a situation where I knew I would not. As far as I am aware, no other high profile modkill situations happened that influenced it.

I think there was a forum thread for the proposed bastard flag changes, although I’d have to go digging to find it.

On the topic of the new rules, is flipping the mod/reviewer at the beginning of the game or using them to demonstrate rules like how to vote against the new rules?
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Post Post #204 (ISO) » Sat Mar 05, 2022 8:34 pm

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viewtopic.php?f=5&t=88239&hilit=+Bastard

The thread with the proposed changes to bastardry markers.
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Post Post #205 (ISO) » Sat Mar 05, 2022 9:52 pm

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In post 203, Jingle wrote:On the topic of the new rules, is flipping the mod/reviewer at the beginning of the game or using them to demonstrate rules like how to vote against the new rules?
Good, point, "except yourself" could be added into that.
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