Newbie 1868 - Game Over

[ceejayvinoya]

Hey @everyone I'll be replacing inferno.

Let me do some catching up.

[ceejayvinoya]

Reads haven't changed, wouldn't mind a lynch at this point unless ceejay shakes things up

??????????
What the fuck, you want to end the day 5 days early, with tons of replacements going in and out???? Are you serious???????? We must use all the time we got. We don't even have 300 posts, god damn it... ending the day early is the worst thing we could do. I propose we lynch 1 day before EoD, 2 days max. But 5 days is 100% unacceptable. +scumpoints to you.

lols. Agree with Not_Mafia here actually. We need a lynch soon, just in case that the guy we try to lynch off claims pr. We're going to need the extra days then to coordinate another wagon and wait for ccs.

[ceejayvinoya]

UNVOTE:

[ceejayvinoya]

Aight I think I'm caught up. I'll start playing normally in a bit.

marshm bacy tarkus %Not gonna agree in lynching here today.
nexus not_ mafia
rockeater
morg crimson

VOTE: Crimson

[ceejayvinoya]

@Crimson any ideas on who is scum? No I don't wanna hear "likely scum" or "he's very susp". Who is scum?

[ceejayvinoya]

Aight I think I'm caught up. I'll start playing normally in a bit.

marshm bacy tarkus %Not gonna agree in lynching here today.
nexus not_ mafia
rockeater
morg crimson

Oops. Sorry. I messed this up. This was a readslist:

TOWN
{bacy tarkus}
{marsh}
{Nexus, not_mafia} --null
{Rockeater}
{morg crimson}
SCUM

[ceejayvinoya]

Actually, I'll hold off on this for a while.

VOTE: morg

@Crimson do you have any offsite games you can link?

[ceejayvinoya]

@not_mafia is Morg scum?

[ceejayvinoya]

@bacy what do you think of crimson's reads?

[ceejayvinoya]

Aight I think I'm caught up. I'll start playing normally in a bit.

marshm bacy tarkus %Not gonna agree in lynching here today.
nexus not_ mafia
rockeater
morg crimson

Oops. Sorry. I messed this up. This was a readslist:

TOWN
{bacy tarkus}
{marsh}
{Nexus, not_mafia} --null
{Rockeater}
{morg crimson}
SCUM

I would like to know your reasoning

I would like you to be less vague. On who? You?

[ceejayvinoya]

-Nexus and Tarkus:

Have been actively pushing people to speak and participate and they're actively scumhunting. I don't see anything scummy in Nexu's ISO so i don't know how 3 people have voted for him.

-inferno/ceeja and bacy:

I liked inferno's posts and i agree with his viewpoint on Marsh, ceeja also seems to be scumgunting I don't see anything scummy about bacy so that's why she's here too.

-Manatee/Rock:

Manatee barely spoke and i haven't gotten a good read on rock so that's why they're null for now.

-N_M and Morg:

N_M seems like he's trying to blend in. He has barely said anything meaningful all game too. I have explained why Morg is scummy, he overreacted to N_M's post and seems like paranoid mafia. He's not lower because i can see a paranoid townie doing the same.

-Marsh:

His early posts ping me. The post about not massclaiming isn't scummy in of itself but then he tried to justify it saying he was trying to get an idea of the set up which is something i don't see town doing at all. He's also pushing Nexus, and as i've said i don't see anything scummy in Nexus' ISO. Plus the fact that he's gonna give me "an opportunity", sounds more like he's keeping me alive because i'll be an easy mislynch.

Why did you make a list without giving a good read on Rock? This list looks hasty and it's seriously very suspicious. Most of the reasoning given sound fake.

Hooow about you morg? Do youuuu have a good read on rock???

[ceejayvinoya]

In general, why I am on the mafia direction would be nice but the rest will be useful too

It has less to do with you and more on what ManateeDude did. He has some posts that ping me as scummy.

[ceejayvinoya]

@bacy what do you think of crimson's reads?

not really fond of them tbh, not of the reads specifically but more of how he said and what he said about them
the reasons either seem forced or we've already heard about them, which is valid and all but yea..

why do you ask? did anything catch your eye?

@ceejay

oh. Somehow missed this lols. I kinda have a similar feel, mostly because he only made up reads when asked and the reason for the reads are nothing new. I feel like there's at least one scum in Crimson/Morg.

[ceejayvinoya]

Could you explain the read on Morg? i don't think you've mentioned anything about it yet

Have him pegged as scummy since his first post, That rxn from N_M's vote is too much to come from town. Didn't see anything redeeming from him either.

[ceejayvinoya]

Rock, i see you're here aswell join the fun
i finally have some people in my timezone to talk to

hmrph disappeared right away. rock you scum?

In work so I need to live my phone sometimes

Could you explain the read on Morg? i don't think you've mentioned anything about it yet

Have him pegged as scummy since his first post, That rxn from N_M's vote is too much to come from town. Didn't see anything redeeming from him either.

I see your point, but some of the things he pointed where looking way too accurate and early to be mafia throwing shit and see what stick.

You do know that mafia knows who's town and who's not? So uh him being TOO accurate should ping scummy don't you think?

Mind specifying his uh "accurate posts"?

[ceejayvinoya]

Could you explain the read on Morg? i don't think you've mentioned anything about it yet

Have him pegged as scummy since his first post, That rxn from N_M's vote is too much to come from town. Didn't see anything redeeming from him either.

Fair enough. There's this one post that i'm not sure how to feel about but i'm still not really comfortable lynching him today

Which one? Maybe I can throw in what I feel about it.

[ceejayvinoya]

@Morg

what is your read on Crimson?

[ceejayvinoya]

UNVOTE:

[ceejayvinoya]

Morg or Nexus? Morg. That's not even a question.

I'm fine with a Crimson lynch if anyone doesn't like either. But we have like, 2 days left.

[ceejayvinoya]

Agreed.

VOTE: Morg

[ceejayvinoya]

That's L-1 I think.

[ceejayvinoya]

@Rockeater hammer Morg for us I'll give you free rocks.

[ceejayvinoya]

Darn. Ejji is looking very town to me. UNVOTE:

Intent to hammer Nexus.

[ceejayvinoya]

Ugh I'd hate to lynch garnet too.

@Nexus do you sr Ejji or is that vote still for Morg?

[ceejayvinoya]

I'm not implying that his activity is townie...

[ceejayvinoya]

Ugh I'd hate to lynch garnet too.

@Nexus do you sr Ejji or is that vote still for Morg?

Who is garnet?

I'm not implying that his activity is townie...

and why do you think I'm town? you scumread morg before

garnet is Nexus sorry.

my sr on Morg goes two ways: He can either be defensive newb town or scum. I'm still not entirely sure tbh, But I like what I'm seeing from you so far.

lol… tbh I prob shouldn’t say it, but how shallow was the Morg read if you townread me after sth like that? -_- I’m kinda glad, ngl, but lol.

I don't get this btw. MarshM scumreads Nexus over Morg...

[ceejayvinoya]

Ugh I'd hate to lynch garnet too.

@Nexus do you sr Ejji or is that vote still for Morg?

Who is garnet?

I'm not implying that his activity is townie...

and why do you think I'm town? you scumread morg before

garnet is Nexus sorry.

my sr on Morg goes two ways:

He can either be defensive newb town or scum.

I'm still not entirely sure tbh, But I like what I'm seeing from you so far.

if that's true then..

Could you explain the read on Morg? i don't think you've mentioned anything about it yet

Have him pegged as scummy since his first post,

That rxn from N_M's vote is too much to come from town

. Didn't see anything redeeming from him either.

why this...?

You can't look at what morg did and tell me honestly that that wasn't sus. We can't be certain either that it's not bad town play.

[ceejayvinoya]

Oh. Belated happy birthday Tarkus

[ceejayvinoya]

i dont like how you immediately unvoted and intented to hammer nexus. if you're scum here, its probably pretty likely that morg/ejji and nexus are town

Assuming I know they're both town, why don't I just stick to one then and let things happen?

Immediate intent to hammer Nexus because were close to the deadline. If we decide to wagon someone else and that guy claims pr, I don't know what the f to do...

[ceejayvinoya]

Like, I'm so hesitant in lynching outside of Ejj and Nexus right now. Both of them practically claimed vanilla town and scum would just nk outside of them to attempt to hit pr.

[ceejayvinoya]

It’s in scums best interest to try and run up a third person to get a claim.

Also I doubt either of us would be the NK. We would be an easy lynch tomorrow

Exactly!

[ceejayvinoya]

@bacy did you purposefully ignore these...

i dont like how you immediately unvoted and intented to hammer nexus. if you're scum here, its probably pretty likely that morg/ejji and nexus are town

Assuming I know they're both town, why don't I just stick to one then and let things happen?

Immediate intent to hammer Nexus because were close to the deadline. If we decide to wagon someone else and that guy claims pr, I don't know what the f to do...

Like, I'm so hesitant in lynching outside of Ejj and Nexus right now. Both of them practically claimed vanilla town and scum would just nk outside of them to attempt to hit pr.

Why would scum!me drag attention to myself by doing this? If I'm scum and knew Ejj is town, I'll just stay my vote on him and say something like "I see Morg as scum, Ejj must be scum too." Like why am I even trying to reevaluate him right now?

[ceejayvinoya]

VOTE: Nexus

Dealine is in 2 hours @everyone we had to go somewhere...

[ceejayvinoya]

Maybe tomorrow

[ceejayvinoya]

why tarkus specifically? he is townreading nexus

it comes down to crimson and it's probably not gonna be a hard decision for him

..no one for a counter wagon, really? cmon guys, lets make it interesting

yeah i agree i guess,

lets let crimson decide

i was mostly waiting for ceejay to respond since i actually think the inconsistency in a read that was about to get lynched is actually a big deal but till then VOTE: crimson

still my top scumread

Aight everyone.

If Bacy is town, whyyy would she let her top scumread decide on who to lynch off on d1??? Anyone else would probably be against this, but she even agrees to it in post 411.

VOTE: Bacy

[ceejayvinoya]

VOTE: Tar

And a few questions to cee
-do you have any finished scum games on or off the forum?
-Do you feel making pushes as scum is any different than doing that as town? Pushing as what alignment would have made you happier?
-What is your read on Tar, MM and bacy?

All questions are important tbh, so thx.

Oh. Hey ejj.

-viewtopic.php?f=51&t=75952
-That's my only scum game.

-idk I think they're very similar. Only difference is that you know the role of the guy you're pushing on, so I guess if you're scum, chances are your push would look fake? I'd rather push as town.

-MM slight townlean. I like his play and I think the reason he's sus is just playstyle, which is NAI. (Non-Alignment Indicative).
-Tarkus is null I'm planning to reread him.
-See my previous post for bacy.

[ceejayvinoya]

tbh that's an argument that makes sence only from my pov, so feel free to ignore it, but I kinda liked MM's push on Nex. He could have been just stubborn, but tbh I don't get why would he be so set on lynching Nex when scum!he wouldn't really have a reason to give a fuck. Nex was a better player so lynching him instead of morg would have been more beneficial, but I don't really think that could have been the reason. Kinda OTT as for that imo.

OTT? Sorry, I'm not used to the site's terminology...

Over The Top

[ceejayvinoya]

I'm okay with a lynch in {Crimson97, bacy} today.

[ceejayvinoya]

tho I don't get his defense of bacy, who was scumreading him day 1. Maybe Crimson really is town...

[ceejayvinoya]

@ceejay, do you have an answer to my post or are you just gonna ignore it? what's the plan?

Your post is too long for me to process I'm still on my way home.

I'll have an answer in about an hour.

[ceejayvinoya]

Agree with ejji that Crimson is town, btw. I don't think he'll defend bacy like that from me if he's scum.

[ceejayvinoya]

@bacy did you purposefully ignore these...

i dont like how you immediately unvoted and intented to hammer nexus. if you're scum here, its probably pretty likely that morg/ejji and nexus are town

Assuming I know they're both town, why don't I just stick to one then and let things happen?

Immediate intent to hammer Nexus because were close to the deadline. If we decide to wagon someone else and that guy claims pr, I don't know what the f to do...

Like, I'm so hesitant in lynching outside of Ejj and Nexus right now. Both of them practically claimed vanilla town and scum would just nk outside of them to attempt to hit pr.

Why would scum!me drag attention to myself by doing this? If I'm scum and knew Ejj is town, I'll just stay my vote on him and say something like "I see Morg as scum, Ejj must be scum too." Like why am I even trying to reevaluate him right now?

The fact that you pointed it out makes it scummy. If both are town it doesn't matter, scum just has to act like town townie and get some towncred

The fact that I have to point it out makes me sad
Point out where I got towncred from that and I will wholeheartedly agree.

[ceejayvinoya]

Aight I'm caught up.

@bacy I wasn't really pushing you, that was a reaction test. Lols. And that answer is too town.

[ceejayvinoya]

Updated reads:

{Crimson, bacy}
{ejji}
{Tarkus} - Null
{Not_Mafia, Rockeater}

Nothing on Marsh yet until I see ejji's case on him.

VOTE: Not_Mafia

[ceejayvinoya]

@bacy if you're still looking for that answer on why I switched to Nexus yesterday, It's simple.

Town, even when about to be lynched, generally still makes reads and is more pro-town overall.

Scum would be more defensive.

I'm pretty sure that if ejji is scum here, he would have spent his first few posts on an answer on why the guy he replaced town.

[ceejayvinoya]

Rockeater here is going with a very "go with the flow" game.

[ceejayvinoya]

Calling all townies. Let's lynch this guy^

Are you really okay with letting him live past d2?

[ceejayvinoya]

Aight I'm caught up.

@bacy I wasn't really pushing you, that was a reaction test. Lols. And that answer is too town.

why did you choose bacy for a reaction test?

Because the opportunity was there, and I needed to be sure.

[ceejayvinoya]

Hmmm rockeater could be town too.

I sincerely wish that this is an N_M + MM game...

[ceejayvinoya]

Nothing on Marsh yet until I see ejji's case on him.

Read on MM

Spoiler:

A lot of his posts make me feel he cares a lot about how other people view him. -_- And the conversation with inferno is making me feel he “continued” it only because he thought having the last word would make him look better. Otherwise, it seriously had no point.

Also, this seems somewhat forced and has some holes. How were you supposed to get info on site meta based on telling everyone not to claim? And the setup info is all listed in the rules post. I don't see the progression from "Nobody claim!" To "I was trying to get my first townread." And then you say that you have formed a townread, but also want to restart RVS?

I'm a little pinged by this exchange so far.

How so?
Telling people not to claim was obviously going to make AT LEAST one player react. Therefore starting the discussion on something, allowing to form reads WHILE RVS. From where I am, RVS lasts ± 150 posts. Slight reads are formed and stated WHILE RVS IS ONGOING. To come back on track, talking about a hot subject (like roleclaiming) was obviously going to start discussion, a productive one. By that you can see people's trains of thoughts. And by people's trains of thoughts, reads. I also did NOT say I wanted to get my first TOWNread, I tried to get READS, that's all. So

yes

, I say I get a townread and that RVS is very restartable, simply by getting into voting other people.

This felt useless. -_- I’m getting weird vibes from the over-explanation. Lamist? Kinda?

+townpoints,
I actually thought Nexus would point it out. It was intentional.

I wanted to get information on the setup and the site's meta on the first IRL day of D1, so that could be out of the way, and at the same time starting a town read on someone.

And yes, I know you could be scum pushing it; but a scum would push much harder on me, and probably talk about that aspect more. Now that this is done, RVS may begin once again! We don't have every player here anyway, so we can restart it pretty easily.

I’m not getting the feeling he legit wanted to get any information about setup tbh. If he did, the post I quoted would p much be a scumclaim.

The: “wanting to get info about the setup” feels more like a lie in attempt to make his “game-start idea” look more important/impressive than it really was. In other words, it feels like he added a random word to his post to make his idea look better. -_-

Marshmallow, if you want to know about the meta why not just ask?

Crimson, if you can get information and reads on people, why not do it at the same time?

And tbh I absolutely don’t like this response. Flirting with danger? Deflection? Or sth along those lines. -_- It feels like a “confident provocation”, caused by being absolutely confident in one’s lamist profile.

Marshmallow, if you want to know about the meta why not just ask?

Crimson, if you can get information and reads on people, why not do it at the same time?

It feels like you might have tried to get some easy towncred with your post about claiming D1 and then when it backfired you came up with that explanation. I say it because telling people to not claim D1 seems like a really bad way to gather info on people because you're always going to get the same response of "Claiming D1 is bad" unless it's a game with really really new people.

How would that gain me towncred lol. The goal wasn't to make up a discussion about it, it was to warn the brand new players who could be confused to not claim their role for nothing. It happened to me before. And some experienced guys roleclaimed in a cult setup on D1. So, do you understand now? IT IS a game with reall really new people, look at the name of the game:

Newbie

1868. It is normal to expect totally new players in a game for new players lol...

This whole conversation pings me on a really basic level. Like, tbh I’m not really sure if I can even elaborate on that, it just feels kinda bad.

Welp... I guess that at this point, Morg's lynch gives us information more than any other lynch. He's kinda THE subject of today. So Morg, you're being rather inactive atm. Convince me not to lynch you for information. Be active. Give your reads. You still have a chance to redeem in my eyes... use it. Else you'll be the lynch.
[…]
Maybe that can help. VOTE: Morg

God….…… blergh
Look at me I’m so nice and benevolent.
Ugh.
I don’t like the switch.
I REALLY dislike his attitude towards morg so like, I am aware it could add to my scumread on him. but, ugh, god.

Tbh, again, the post is making me feel he’s trying to grab easy towncreed or conveniently switch wagons.
The fact that Morg was really likely to be d1’s lynch anyways kinda adds to that.
And tbh the thought that it might just be his personality, makes me want to choke him.

That's all I had to say. I'm done. Do what you guys might and be prepared for a rude awakening.

Really??? Much helpful to Town. That's a bad, even stupid reaction. Claim a role.

Bad reaction.

Why do you think i ask questions? I'm scumhunting and trying to consider all possibilities.If you're scum your story is fake, and lies often don't add up, that's what i'm looking for. Also that slip intentional or not doesn't make Morg town, not wanting to claim is still a scummy move.

Ok then, give a list of reads. And I don't believe you: you are STILL very careful and don't want to jump in the debates,

as if you wanted us to kill eachother

. VOTE: Nexus I want that list of reads or my vote will go back on you. Now I vote for the one I want to lynch today. Crimson, convince me not to push for your lynch tomorrow.

Tbh, again, I’m getting vibes that he’s intentionally trying to write his posts in a way that would make him look townie.

“[…] as if you wanted US to kill eachother. […]”
“[…] US to kill each other[…]”
“[…] US […]”
Blergh

It feels like him being overly cautious and trying his best to “avoid a possible scumslip”.
Like, once is enough.
I don’t think anyone needs any more reminders of “MM being town”. Like, being too cautious and self aware is also scummy in its own way.

VOTE: Morg

What makes you not want to lynch Nexus, exactly? @Not_Mafia

Why do you say this as if everyone had already agreed to lynching Nexus?

That's a lie... I say this like if I didn't see a reason to townread Nexus, which is true. +scumpoints for you for trying to scumpaint me by twsting my words.

I'm not trying to twist your words or anything like that. It's just that the question was weird. If N_M wasn't voting Nexus the reason is pretty obvious. Why aren't you voting Morg? Either because you think he's not scummy or because Nexus is scummier. The question made it sound like it was a bad or unpopular thing that N_M wasn't voting Nexus. Something like, why don't you like icecream? Everyone likes icream. Probs a bad analogy but i don't know how else to put it.

I wanted good explainations from it, a train of thoughts, not just "I like icecream" type of answer. But atm you're making him having no need to defend because you talk at his place. Why? @everyone, if Crimson is scum we'll have to look into N_M. But I have a hard time seeing a scum pulling such a ballsy playstyle (talking about N_M).

Tbh, I think I liked that one… :/
Regardless of his alignment, I’m confident that I’m reading his previous posts correctly. I REALLY doubt he wasn’t intentionally LAMIST in at least a part of his posts.

And the spontaneous vibe in his scumreads might be good. It would mean he wasn’t “cautious” all the time and “didn’t really care to aim for towncreed while scumhunting”.
That’s more or less why I said I like his push on nex.
That’s p much the same stuff imo.

i don't think their posts are that townie.

active =/= townie

And for the voting posts above, +scumpoints... wtf, who said active = townie??? We said his reads made sense from a Town PoV (out of some, like Tarkus and me being in scum, and I'm still waiting on his answer (maybe itll come in my reading though)), not that he was active so he was town. Why are you pushing his lynch so hard? Looks like you're just trying to survive... but why would you do that as a vanilla townie?

The push looks weak and the reasoning is bad, but the post looks spontaneous.
I’m getting good vibes from it tbh. :/

It feels more like he “yelled his way through” to Nex’s lynch, rather than “worked it through with his scumreads”. I find it kinda townie he stopped the “towncreed/aligment reminders” posts.
Scum!he should be the most cautious when pushing for a ML… so like… it might be bullshit, but I’m getting good vibes from the sudden jump in spontaneousness.


Like, I think it’s quite clear that I’m unsure about him… :/ It is possible that he’s scum tbh, but I’m not sure if I want to lynch him today.
I have a stronger scumread on Tark and cee is starting to make me paranoid (I’ll paste the read after classes). Like, tbh I’d wait with lynching him for a bit. :/
I am honestly not confident that all of the LAMIST posts are coming from scum, even though I really do want to choke him for it.

do you think we're scummates?

Sshhhhh!

As for your read on MM, I think that pretty much pings him as scum. Scum would be looking for ways to be townier throughout the game and I think MM here has been adjusting himself to look town.

[ceejayvinoya]

@rockeater did you seriously consider my 533? What's your opinion on that? Did you seriously think it could be used against bacy?

[ceejayvinoya]

@rockeater did you seriously consider my 533? What's your opinion on that? Did you seriously think it could be used against bacy?

@rockeater heeeeyyyyy

[ceejayvinoya]

Aight I'm caught up.

@bacy I wasn't really pushing you, that was a reaction test. Lols. And that answer is too town.

ima call this bs. i don't believe you at all, sorry
it didn't look like reaction testing at all

Ahhh wtf you must now think I'm a special kind of idiot or something to think that up and go with it.

Whatever.

[ceejayvinoya]

Hmmm rockeater could be town too.

I sincerely wish that this is an N_M + MM game...

are you planning on eventually townreading everyone who suspects you?

I'm not yet there actually.

Rockeater's going with the flow game could be newb!scum just winging it. I'm placing him on null.

[ceejayvinoya]

@rockeater did you seriously consider my 533? What's your opinion on that? Did you seriously think it could be used against bacy?

@rockeater heeeeyyyyy

Oh god, I had literally forgot that guy's existence... Rockeater, mind to give us your reads? You're kinda AFK atm.

You're missing his posts. He has no avatar. Try ISOing him. What do you think of his plays?

[ceejayvinoya]

I'm okay with a lynch in {Crimson97, bacy} today.

tho I don't get his defense of bacy, who was scumreading him day 1. Maybe Crimson really is town...

Why do you scumread bacy? I don't get it. I think she's the only player who really screams town to me. I think defending her is kinda NAI though (scum whiteknighting exists). But why do you have a scumread?

bacy doesn't need a white knight everyone townreads her. Weird that scum would bother going there...

[ceejayvinoya]

@rockeater did you seriously consider my 533? What's your opinion on that? Did you seriously think it could be used against bacy?

This argument at 533 was increadebly bad and oviusly flawed, it was too flawed for regulae scumhunting but it was also too bad for testing, if you didn't thought ofit as a good argument then what you expected scum!becy to do, she was on the right even if she was scum.

Oh I'm sorry. I missed this. Consider getting an avatar.

The point of my test was simply to get how bacy will read me from there.

I expected scum would vote me immediately as an answer, or something similar.

But bacy, didn't do it like I expected scum to do.

why tarkus specifically? he is townreading nexus

it comes down to crimson and it's probably not gonna be a hard decision for him

..no one for a counter wagon, really? cmon guys, lets make it interesting

yeah i agree i guess,

lets let crimson decide

i was mostly waiting for ceejay to respond since i actually think the inconsistency in a read that was about to get lynched is actually a big deal but till then VOTE: crimson

still my top scumread

Aight everyone.

If Bacy is town, whyyy would she let her top scumread decide on who to lynch off on d1??? Anyone else would probably be against this, but she even agrees to it in post 411.

VOTE: Bacy

of course i freaking agreed, i literally couldn't have done anything else??? there was no other option. i was pushing for crimson's lynch, it wasn't going through. i had to decide between nexus and morg (chose nexus beacuse i was townreading morg and said mutiple times that i'd be fine lynching nexus if crimson wouldnt went through????????) it came down to him deciding who fucking cares? yeah im scum reading him so what? his lynch wasnt going thrugh because others obv didnt scumread him as much, for all i know they might as well be right.. i was scumreading nex aswell, he was a better choice of the two possible wagons, thats literally all there is. what else would you advise me to do? not vote anywhere, not say anything?? it would still happen the same way it did. crimson would be the one deciding to hammer morg

this is so bad i wanna omgus u so bad

btw, you still havent acknowledged your read- i wanna know why you changed your read for apparently no necessary reason like you said tuc tuc
did you look through anyone else throughout the night or just me since i was the first one to call you out?

also btw (lets let crimson decide 411) in this particular case, was for when he was gonna hammer, not who he was gonna choose. i was also kind of testing him, if he was gonna wait for morg or just hammer like three other people were pushing everyone to do so (which would make me scumread him even more) that's just fyi

@rockeater this is what bacy said. My opinion is that the reaction to my read is genuine, which could only mean bacy is town. Also note that she delayed to vote me for like a few posts.

[ceejayvinoya]

Aight I'm caught up.

@bacy I wasn't really pushing you, that was a reaction test. Lols. And that answer is too town.

ima call this bs. i don't believe you at all, sorry
it didn't look like reaction testing at all

Ahhh wtf you must now think I'm a special kind of idiot or something to think that up and go with it.

Whatever.

well yeah i think your special kind is scum, without that last part because cmon who do you think i am

*shrugs* let's let this go for a little bit.

What do you think of Not_Mafia?

[ceejayvinoya]

@MM how do you feel about bacy’s “buddying” posts?

What what I thought MM was the one who was buddying

[ceejayvinoya]

VOTE: MarshM

[ceejayvinoya]

Tbh I've been leaving Marsh alone because I thought he could be pr. I'd be perfectly fine with lynching him tho if he claims VT.

[ceejayvinoya]

[ceejayvinoya]

Tbh I've been leaving Marsh alone because I thought he could be pr. I'd be perfectly fine with lynching him tho if he claims VT.

why defending instead of questioning it?

Elaborate because I'm dum as a chair. Why defend Marsh instead of question Marsh?

[ceejayvinoya]

@Rockeater why haven't you voted yet?

[ceejayvinoya]

Support us in our Marsh lynch @Not_Mafia

[ceejayvinoya]

Do you scumread rock?

Yes I do. He's being quite inactive, and I don't see the goal behind his actions. Just like Crimson tbh. Idem for N_M, but I feel like N_M might just be trolling instead of playing, and doesn't really care about the game itself.

Can you give reads on cee and tark?

Ceejay is townish, but I'm losing my townread of him slightly now. He seems opportunistic, and I would actually see him in some scum pairings. Tarkus... Well idk. He was very town-like to me at the start of the game, but he lost that towncred by running away with it.

Um. How was I townish earlier? I feel like I've been terrible all day.

[ceejayvinoya]

Can you comment on that? What do you think about those arguments?

Hmm, you're right on this. So we all gotta trust you on the meta... right? I mean, your entire defense of him, which is a strong one, is based on meta. That's weird. But at the same time, I don't think a scum would hard defend his teammate with meta. However.... I still don't townread him. It's not only about less scumhunting, it's about NO scumhunting. Just reactionary responses, like when I asked him what he was doing and that he answered the same to me.

About the wagon thing, I don't see the problem. Bacy and ceejay are both townish to me, and I'm town. Who do you scumread in that and why?

I think it’s quite clear I have 2 arguments for townreading crimson and honeltly, the 2-nd is the stronger one. Like, if you're doing it on purpose, stop.

And you didn’t ask him what he was doing, your question was addressed to

me

. Him barking back at you is his own thing. Do not distort the posts.

If you think I’m lying about his meta, how about looking at it yourself?
This is a link to the previous game I played with him
And this is a link to his ISO. To avoid confusion, the iso should be read from bottom to top cause the post order is reversed.

I reccomend reading the actual game instead of the iso, because it’s not really visible there imo.
And the posts there tend to be a lot shorter than the ones here so it really won’t take long.
Dunno if it’ll encourage you or not, but the game I linked is also my last scum game.

D1 should be enough for crims’s meta imo, but suit yourself. It really doesn’t take long to read.

Hmm ok. I believe you now lol. @not_mafia you're my main suspect now. Also, I still really don't like the fact that I got hard pushed when I started pushing N_M. Ceejay gets some scumpoints for that, actually. I think he would be likely to be teamed with N_M. Ceejay, your thoughts about that?

Lols. I actually want a policy lynch on NM. (And would still go for it if anyone agrees) I see him as very null and I have no idea what he is right now.

[ceejayvinoya]

@crimson & company:

I think there's a better chance of ceejay and/or bacy being scum , than marsh. Let's get that going.

What convinced you that Marsh is town?

[ceejayvinoya]

@not_mafia you're my main suspect now. Also, I still really don't like the fact that I got hard pushed when I started pushing N_M. Ceejay gets some scumpoints for that, actually. I think he would be likely to be teamed with N_M. Ceejay, your thoughts about that?

oh god, no -_- I really doubt anyone pushed you "because you pushed NM".
and cee is definitely not in a team with NM

{Crimson, bacy}
{ejji}
{Tarkus} - Null
{Not_Mafia, Rockeater}

VOTE: Not_Mafia
[…]
Calling all townies. Let's lynch this guy^

Are you really okay with letting him live past d2?

this is definitely not a way one would try to distance from a scummate.

Why? He did not explain anything. That "wagon" was 99% sure of not gaining any traction. If I was scum, I would do that with my scummate, actually.

No explanation? This is pretty much self-explanatory. Everyone here would probably agree that NM isn't exactly being pro-town this game. We wouldn't lose much on a lynch on him (I guess).

[ceejayvinoya]

Uh I was asking Marsh. How did you find it sensible anyway? I even scumread you earlier...

[ceejayvinoya]

My scumread on Marsh is based on ejji's read on him earlier. Yeah I'm sheeping him there.

This post of Marsh from earlier also pinged the heck out of me.

Welp... I guess that at this point, Morg's lynch gives us information more than any other lynch. He's kinda THE subject of today. So Morg, you're being rather inactive atm. Convince me not to lynch you for information. Be active. Give your reads. You still have a chance to redeem in my eyes... use it. Else you'll be the lynch.

I can't tell how a Morg lynch can give more info than any other lynch. All lynches give info...

[ceejayvinoya]

Uh I was asking Marsh. How did you find it sensible anyway? I even scumread you earlier...

Early on you gave explanaions to your actions without self conterdicting yourself or getting staff out of context, sensible wasn't the right word from me, more sensible is more accurate.

That's fair.

What is your read on Marsh right now?

[ceejayvinoya]

My scumread on Marsh is based on ejji's read on him earlier. Yeah I'm sheeping him there.

This post of Marsh from earlier also pinged the heck out of me.

Welp... I guess that at this point, Morg's lynch gives us information more than any other lynch. He's kinda THE subject of today. So Morg, you're being rather inactive atm. Convince me not to lynch you for information. Be active. Give your reads. You still have a chance to redeem in my eyes... use it. Else you'll be the lynch.

I can't tell how a Morg lynch can give more info than any other lynch. All lynches give info...

do you have aby other reads?

Reads atm are

{Crimson, bacy}
{ejji, Performer}
{Rockeater}
{Marsh, NM}

[ceejayvinoya]

Hmmm, so you would see him lynched today?

If we can't agree on anyone else then yeah.

[ceejayvinoya]

My scumread on Marsh is based on ejji's read on him earlier. Yeah I'm sheeping him there.

This post of Marsh from earlier also pinged the heck out of me.

Welp... I guess that at this point, Morg's lynch gives us information more than any other lynch. He's kinda THE subject of today. So Morg, you're being rather inactive atm. Convince me not to lynch you for information. Be active. Give your reads. You still have a chance to redeem in my eyes... use it. Else you'll be the lynch.

I can't tell how a Morg lynch can give more info than any other lynch. All lynches give info...

...but some more than others. Lynches where a lot of people are involved actively (Nexus and Morg at that time of the game) give the most info, because there's more to analyze.

Disagree. Assume someone else gets wagoned for some reason. That guy then has the majority of the votes. The amount of stuff to analyze is still the same I bet.

[ceejayvinoya]

I sort of want to see bacy's catch up first. It's been a while since she was here. Up to all of you tho.

[ceejayvinoya]

Has everyone posted yet? Is crims our only pr?

[ceejayvinoya]

But that's a valid argument! Assume you're scum and you tried to kill someone. Somehow that person doesn't die. Would you try killing him again? Really?

[ceejayvinoya]

Just waiting on Rockeater before voting ejj...

[ceejayvinoya]

Eh. It's more likely that that jailer jailed scum twice, rather than scum attacking you twice. And wtf, scum won't bother with you, you're just VT...

[ceejayvinoya]

VOTE: ejji

[ceejayvinoya]

I'm willing to be lynched if Performer gets lynched the day after.

I'd be happier tho if Performer gets lynched today.

VOTE: Performer

[ceejayvinoya]

Hmm I do tr Tarkus/Performer more than Rockeater...

VOTE: Rockeater

L-1

[ceejayvinoya]

UNVOTE:

I gave this some thought and I think it's unlikely that Rockeater made the kill.

That NK on doc suggests that it's someone more experienced than a guy on his first game.

[ceejayvinoya]

This means that scum is in Performer/bacy.

I'll be rereading and will try to look for whos who...

[ceejayvinoya]

Tarkus/Performer more likely to be Marsh's partner than bacy.

VOTE: Performer

[ceejayvinoya]

@bacy and @rocky. Let's lynch Performer

Recap
It's unlikely for Rockeater to have performed the nk on doc, so he's town.
Crimson is JK
it's unlikely based on interactions that bacy and Marsh are partners

Performer is scum.

If he flips town somehow, then I'll happily let myself get lynched tomorrow.