Newbie 1769: Happy New Year! (Post-Game)

[cassielle]

actually, i have a question, how did you not know giga had wiggleroom in their d1 townblock? you did do a huge review of the entire playerbase on d1, seems like the sort of thing youd pick up?

[Creature]

So far my PoE indicates schadd_, -Grey- and RadiantCowbells. I think we're more likely to find scum there.

I think RC is most likely town from here.

Thoughts on them?

[Creature]

At some point I felt giga was agreeing the scumteam must be rakkar + ThinkBig and that anyone else is looking town.

[Creature]

Oh right there:

So giga, why are you townreading schadd?

emotional vibing, liked his TB vote early game, i think his calling TB's claim calculated looks like genuine analysis, general approach to the game feels like town with like 1 game of experience off-site

but i'm kind of at a point where i have to pick two in {schadd, shade, matt} to be very confident in their townieness to get that game-winning townbloc (very confident in rask, you, and GAYreen town)

or i could just scumhunt but i honestly want to get a baseline of everyone's personality first, i'm ass at scumhunting but i don't think an overemphasis on townhunting is the right approach this game like usually works out to be, feels too slow?

rakkar needs to post something game advancing

[Raskolnikov]

I know the explanation for the read on you is pretty accurate from my own experience. A lot of those are similar tells to how I read you.

But I don't think faking townreads is particularly difficult, if you have experience with a player especially and know their meta. If based on past games the expectation is for them to easily read you I don't see the read as anything unexpected, especially if there was the incentive of trying to buddy as well.

[Aeronaut]

- VoteCount 2.6 -
With 8 players still alive, it's 5 to lynch!

[L-5] mattblackguy -
[L-3] -Grey- - Raskolnikov, Creature
[L-5] schadd -
[L-4] RadiantCowbells - -Grey-
[L-5] Raskolnikov -
[L-5] gigabyteTroubadour -
[L-2] Creature - RadiantCowbells, schadd_, Cassielle
[L-5] Cassielle -

Not Voting - mattblackguy, gigabyteTroubadour

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2017-01-28 20:00:00)

[mattblackguy]

Gigabyte/Grey
Gigabyte/Creature
RC/Schadd
Cass/???

That's what I'm feeling right now for the top 4 scum teams. The first two can be changed either way I don't know whether Creature or Grey are more likely to flip scum, but if either of them are scum Im feeling like it's with Gigabyte.

I don't like the creature or grey lynches right now because I feel Giga is more scummy then both.

Looking through Giga's ISO I don't really see them scumhunting day 1. They try to form a townblock early in day 1, but didn't do much later on.

Day 2, I didn't really like Giga's reads at all. They had Cass/RC as only 2, and town read everyone else. They basically said the scum team was Cass/RC and game is over, but that's one of the scum teams that make no sense to me.

VOTE: Gigabyte

Either Giga is town or RC is town. I can't see them both being town, and so far RC has done more to convince me in day 2 that he is town.

[-Grey-]

Okay, I'm feeling a Matt/RC scumteam here.

Read Matt's ISO and do a search for Shade. He starts out townreading Shade, them does this weird switch up where he posts a reads list with Shade in the null range and gets defensive when Cass questions him (561), feeling the need to point out that although schadd is a townread, Shade, who is one line below schadd, is null-scum when Cass was asking why he wasn't reading Shade as scummier than his reads list made him out to be.

That looks to me like some dancing to avoid further scrutiny.

And I still don't think 837 comes from town.

[Raskolnikov]

Matt is town.

[Creature]

What about giga?

[Raskolnikov]

Idk, what's your read on giga?

[Creature]

I've been town on him for meta reasons, though I'd like yours as you also know giga well.

[Raskolnikov]

No, I don't know him.

[Raskolnikov]

*them

fuck

[Raskolnikov]

Giga posted in other threads yesterday but not this one

and giga promised content soon

[Raskolnikov]

RC posted in other threads today but not this one

[Raskolnikov]

I'd like to talk to both of them in depth when they have some reads.

[mattblackguy]

Okay, I'm feeling a Matt/RC scumteam here.

Yeah I knew you would. You really don't like when people say you can be scum with Giga huh?

[Raskolnikov]

Grrrr

I wanted to hide this but I want credit for figuring it out too if its right, damnit

That one has been my theory for a little while now.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

rc's hammer in 921 and me not really jiving with his logic when he explained it just gives me flashbacks to my newbie where he talked me out of pushing for a NL in a 6 player mylo with a claimed, un-shot BP because he was totally going to get nk'd and no one would listen to his reads (despite the fact that i was basically his and kraska's lapdog that game because i didn't really know how to alignment read that well) and i just kind of lapped it up

like i said i want to call bullshit on rc thinking that he could possibly be the N1 kill after you claimed making his hammer pointless when i needed more time (basically to make sure i wasn't like this during D2), which makes me think scum motivation

You have played 1 game with me before now. I complain about getting NKed as scum because I am literally permadead as town. If you are going to argue that I have a scum meta of using 'OH I MIGHT BE DEAD TONIGHT' to justify decisions that I 1) would have done the exact same thing as town and 2) did do as town, I will just vote you.

that's not the point nor is it something i'm scumreading you for anymore (including at the time i made that post, i was explaining a prior read)

basically yes, you do have to mimic your townplay as scum. but that necessity gave you a really awesome opportunity to do something that you can defend and argue you'd do as town but actually doesn't add up from a town perspective

like i was arguing before i don't think it made sense to hammer TB to save schadd_ because he realistically wasn't getting hammered, and even if he did you would still not end up being nightkilled because it's always going to be the wrong play for scum to make... basically making it similar to how there was no town reason to be against a no-lynch in the game we played before

from your D2 play though i've been able to reconcile it as just a difference in opinion in optimal play. like i said before i'm throwing my hands up in the air and trying to start from scratch at this point because every slot sans schadd_ has something about them that I don't really like.

like at the moment? my readlist looks something like

{schadd}
{mbg}
{creature}
{rc, grey}
{creature}
{casielle}

listing creature twice isn't ironic because i can't make up my mind about how i actually feel about his D2, and i have literally no clue how to even label each tier??

Giga posted in other threads yesterday but not this one

and giga promised content soon

yeah ive been feeling really fucking shitty irl and am expecting to be mentally up to speed around the weekend. the other thread i'm posting takes like 0 effort to post in anyway while this game is a bit more cerebral (not really the word i want to use but???)

gonna work on catching up first tho

*them

fuck

nbd (also creature if ur esl you can use she for me i can kind of tell you're struggling w/ they. that's cool too)

always wondered why people default to he for me btw is it just a byproduct of like most people online being guys or...? i put luxemburg as my avatar bc i thought people would be more likely to call me she lol

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Grrrr

I wanted to hide this but I want credit for figuring it out too if its right, damnit

That one has been my theory for a little while now.

matt/rc or giga/grey?

both teams suck imo

[Creature]

Some players are pretty town D1 but then are less active other days.

Maybe giga is one of these players?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Still wonder if someone's townreading -Grey- and why or they're just ignoring him.

not really anymore i hated his response to my questions

his townread of me feels too easy, i'd expect more paranoia from him as town

Some players are pretty town D1 but then are less active other days.

Maybe giga is one of these players?

nah

dont want to talk about my rl issues but you can expect bi-weekly switches in my posting habits if you look really closely at my meta

[Raskolnikov]

Sorry to hear that

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't have much to say about this game. I just want to see Creature lynched.