Newbie 1769: Happy New Year! (Post-Game)

[Creature]

Do you play mafia somewhere else?

[cassielle]

used to, it was a few years back and the records are sadly gone. the sites live but the community is too toxic for my tastes so i never bothered returning

[Creature]

Do you think it's fair to townread someone out of one or two posts?

[Creature]

Also, I didn't talk about giga yet because I need to analyse their games.

[cassielle]

i think its fair to in the very early game so you can put the focus on the best leads, but you should always re-analyze and the bulk of posts should make up your decision. in cases where its NAI or WIFOM for most posts, you can approach a townread from one or two posts but imo it should be a weak one. townlean at best.

[cassielle]

actually, excluding gbT id like a condensed prelim reads list from you creature, just for compare and contrast purposes. ill do the same:

TOWNIEST
creature
gayreen
tb
mbg
shade
schadd_
rask
SCUMMIEST

and if you could your preferred scumteam pairings.

[Creature]

Let's go with this:

VOTE: Raskolnikov

[cassielle]

im down with that. VOTE: Raskolnikov

[Creature]

GAYreen town
Cassiele town
ThinkBig town
schadd_ townlean
mattblack undecided
Rask and Shade somewhat there

[Creature]

2 votes

[cassielle]

curious on the schadd_ thing. anything you can pinpoint for that townlean other than post 53 (which is sorta NAI)?

i can agree on the rest.

[Creature]

Okay, he's matt tier then (maybe Rask/Shade tier).

[cassielle]

fits with what im seeing then. youre conftown from where im sitting so i think this is a very good start.

[Creature]

[url=http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=68636&user_select[]=28019]Still think giga is town if compared to this nice scum game of theirs.[/url]

[cassielle]

i still want my response from gbT before i make any further judgments. i have a suspicion i know the response and have a secondary read on them im holding back for that reason. i was crumbing in the reads list in my last gigantuous wallpost from catching up for that reason -- they werent on the list, but that spot (THE SEVENTH CIRCLE) is def reserved, yeah? so yeah, im waiting on gbT before i make another read on them. for now you can assume i consider them ultrascum still tho

[Raskolnikov]

I'm a genius.

[Raskolnikov]

Casserole flashy play, looks like scumhunting but there's a lot of confidence and preconceived notions behind it. Suggests that wherever she came from she was one of the power players there, not necessarily an everyday harmless newbie.

Catchups are tricky to judge, as is whether read on your truly is reasonable, hard to tell about myself.

It's good this game isn't as easy as think/rakkar at least.

[cassielle]

i wouldnt call myself among the power players (i actually had a tendency to get mled d1 as town and coast to endgame as scum, it was a very mellow site meta) but i know how the game is played and this site's meta seems more in tune with my playstyle anyhow.

i hope you are giving my question thought? im not the only one coming to you being in the top scumteam here and the other is all but conftown so i mean, yeah

[Raskolnikov]

Gayreen
Shade
Thinkbig

{Thinkbig, Gayreen}
{Shade, Gayreen}
Thinkbig/shade prob not

Not quite convincing, potentially wrong on someone

[cassielle]

GAYreen is obvtown and youre dodging my question. here let me quote it for you

rask; explain that out of thin air l-1 crap pls? yeah sur eit was really l-2, but you didnt know that so wtf? explain yourself, what on earth was the point of it, why did you do it? why did you expect tb to be a good candidate for that kind of pressure even???

if you cant give me a really great and wonderful explanation for this im not seeing any reason not to push the lynch on you. if you can, well, im p sure i can put together a good list to make sure we get your record all squeaky clean.

[Raskolnikov]

i wouldnt call myself among the power players (i actually had a tendency to get mled d1 as town and coast to endgame as scum, it was a very mellow site meta) but i know how the game is played and this site's meta seems more in tune with my playstyle anyhow.

i hope you are giving my question thought? im not the only one coming to you being in the top scumteam here and the other is all but conftown so i mean, yeah

You get the best reactions at l-1, pressure gives you a pretty good gauge if the person ever actually responds. Instead of being away all the time busy and/or on phoneposting etc. Thinkbig's also probably one of the few players who'd claim in that situation.

Though I doublecheck on principle before I ever actually vote, whether something is actual l-1 or it just looks like l-1 is essentially the same for reactions. Similar principle as fakehammer (voting someone you're already voting in a faux hammer) where you play a little info trick.

[Raskolnikov]

You know what I don't get? Gayreen said he'd put him to actual l-1 until he claimed (actually, I think that contributed to his claiming) but you don't seem interested in that, though it's not very different from what I did.

[Raskolnikov]

VOTE: Shade

Probably should've joined this wagon when it originally happened.

[cassielle]

right, except why was tb the main scumlead there? i had you (oh, right) and gbT as potentials well before that point. also schadd_ was a potential. mbg's hard to read-ish but he's lurky and his reads are at least passably anti-town. why not go for literally any of these? i mean, sure, tb's wagon had momentum, but i did not get this scumread that caused the momentum.

lets assume no one but me had a scumread on gbT: you were sheeping them in that case. why? its not even a super good argument, esp when tb didnt push for his rqs to continue when it got stopped???

so really, tell me: why did you want to apply that pressure? why did you "need" those good reactions there?

and GAYreen said but did not act upon. in fact said she wouldnt feel right doing it, implying it wasnt a situation worthy of it. it was a lot of sheeping and looking for gold stars imo, which is common for noobs in general. slightly anti-town? sure. active scummy? not so much.

you on the other hand have other reasons to suspect. this is just the one that i feel is most pressing, most worthy of attention.

[Raskolnikov]

If you're judging my play by the metric of my reads being different than yours, than maybe you can look at one of my finished games, follow a bit of a d1, and see how my reads there would stack up on what you saw.