Newbie 1822 | Eyes in the Fog - Game Over

[Plotinus]

Yeah, it is amusing.

[RadiantCowbells]

I think fair compensation in the form of cat pictures is reasonable.

[Plotinus]

oh gosh lemme upload this vid i just took of the kitten.

[Plotinus]

he does this repeatedly, bringing the toy to me and refusing to let me use the computer because he wants to play, but growling and swiping at me when i try to take the toy away from him. there's a reason i'm wearing a glove. but then i do finally get it away from him and he loves running to fetch it and knows to bring it back for me to throw it again.

[RadiantCowbells]

aww.

okay I'll get to this.

[CheekyTeeky]

If anyone wants my feedback as well lmk

Yes plz

[schadd_]

he does this repeatedly, bringing the toy to me and refusing to let me use the computer because he wants to play, but growling and swiping at me when i try to take the toy away from him. there's a reason i'm wearing a glove. but then i do finally get it away from him and he loves running to fetch it and knows to bring it back for me to throw it again.

Spoiler:

ohmygodddddd our cat does that too

like i'll throw the mouse toy and he goes nuts chasing after and brings it back to me but he won't just, like, give it back like a dog

he'll kinda drop it somewhat close to me, like, "i don't care enough about u to put in all the effort of giving it back to u. however, you are required to throw it back"

either that or just keep playing with it and grabbing at it when i try to throw again

if my mom is like reading and he wants to play he'll drop it on top of something important and then sneak in front of the book

[Creature]

Scum PT

[nancy]

Yay I read this game day 1 a bit and I townread all my friends and they were all town ^_^

[RadiantCowbells]

This tonight!

[RadiantCowbells]

@Virtuoso

You did good at some of the clears. I think that you should focus less on logic and thought process (which led you wrong several times in games that I've seen with you) and more on 'wouldnt do x as scum' which has worked out for you.

The way you dealt with me was mixed. I feel like you should have stuck with the fact that you correctly recognized that there was a lot that I just wouldn't have done as scum, rather than repeatedly get drawn back into paranoia like you unfortunately did. I wasn't sure what to do to change that read because it felt like on some level you'd consciously recognize that i wasn't scum but unconsciously you just refuse to lose to me as scum. Which is problematic. No point in going over this though.

Your focus on the 'do better than me' is especially good: that's a really telling phrase. You didn't originate the focus but it was a strong direction.
HOWEVER. I strongly believe that he would NOT have said that if the buddy has been either me or Plotinus. Because then he'd recognize that he's calling us out! Whereas with Awoo, it doesn't necessarily point to him, so OK. He didn't think through the clears, but.

Generally I feel like your issues in the game revolved around that you see things a lot at face value and kind of view people mechanically and that isn't quite how most people work. Thought processes being logical isn't really a reason to townread/scumread someone, it's just a thing that exists. I think you would do well to stop focusing so much on the what of mafia games and start thinking of why (this). Like thought processes for cases can catch some scum but more important is what's going through their head when their writing specific posts, what causes them to frame things certain ways, certain diction etc. Like

There's no rb in this game.

Awesome that gives town quite a bit of information.

Cop should never claim without a guilty since that would mean no doc. Jailkeeper jails and gets confirmed town if there's a NK

Clemency's statement probably means there is a RBer

Even from confirmed scum your first reaction is face value rather than thinking through it. I think that's a tendency in your play writ large.

[RadiantCowbells]

I got busy and it's past my bedtime. More feedbacks later.

[Awoo]

I have never seen an IC follow through on thier promise to make an IC post.

[Virtuoso]

Sorry I’m just reading this now. Thanks @RC for the feedback

[Cabd]

RC had offered to do it; I Generally do it when nobody else does.

He's leaving the site, though, so hang on.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'll do this.

[RadiantCowbells]

@Plotinus

Your scumread on Music was the first thing that I came to and it was problematic. I really feel like in a large part you scumread him because he was different and you couldn't understand him and it felt 'wrong' to you rather than having a concrete reason to think that he was scum. Definitely scum and all the monikers that you used are ones that I think that you should be slower to point out and I feel like that applies to your read on me later in the day too: while it was sweet that you said that I could not count this on my W/L, it was totally just pigeonholing me as lockscum and I didn't know how to respond to that. I vaguely believe based on past recollection that that's a consistent problem with you where you slot people as scum and have trouble unslotting them as scum and that's definitely something that you should work on. Besides that, your read development was good, I liked your approach to trying to create content and how you dealt with a lot of the newbies in the game and your read on Cheeky was really solid and one of the reasons that I kept not-thinking you were scum. I note that you incorrectly locked Adilm based on setup spec (no bueno) that essentially constituted angleshooting and not only was it wrong but it felt very outside of the spirit of the game and I was not at all a fan of that direction. I did, in general, like the way that you dealt with my slot and I would have been interested in playing more games with you and figuring you out in general if I was sticking around. Overall I do think you played well though.

[RadiantCowbells]

Locked awoo based on setup spec*

[CheekyTeeky]

RC come back :/

[RadiantCowbells]

@Cheeky

Fantastic performance on many levels. Your reads in general were pretty amazing and I would slot you as the #1 reason that we ended up winning the game, considering that you made Clemency forfeit and were a strong proponent of the Awoo lynch. I could gush over how good your scumhunting was but I believe that you already know that your scumhunting is good and I don't feel like inflating your ego so I'll focus on what you did wrong. Well first on that topic you did back off of Awoo at first and you were a little weak about pushing it. But otherwise I think my main problem with the game was how you dealt with my push on you. A lot of the blame is mine based on how I approached your slot and I've sort of gotten a hang of that and made personal decisions about how I'm supposed to deal with you, but I do feel like your approach was problematic. You sort of stopped fighting and AtEing and kind of let the lynch go through and that's wrong. If you had had your way I would have been lynched after most likely and we would have lost you carrying your game. Fighting to defend yourself doesn't always look like a bloody war and there's plenty of ways to do it but what you did was basically just lying down for most of it and that's not good. I do think you got your shit together and started towntelling again later, but please don't do that.

And yeah you were great.

[CheekyTeeky]

But if I didn't do that then I wouldn't have clicked on Clemency. But yeah I'm trying to wiggle my way out of always being first lynch, in different ways, without taking down innocents lol. Thanks heaps for the feedback <3 I'll keep it in mind. I miss you round here.

[RadiantCowbells]

<3

[PenguinPower]