Newbie 1915: Africa [Game Over!]

[northsidegal]

VC 2.1

votes

[2] NotMySpamAccount

:

TTTT 839, skitter30 848

[5] Not Voting

:

Elements, NotMySpamAccount, cbynumber, MaryJoLisa, BBmolla 842

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch

The Day 2 deadline is in

: (expired on 2019-02-19 12:45:59)

Mod Notes

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[MaryJoLisa]

Yes!! African penguins! <3

[BBmolla]

so he puts his nullread at L-1 instead of his scumread at L-2?
there were 2 days 17 hours left when he did that

Yeah of a day that was 14 days long

I can easily see someone new thinking 2 days = we have to get a lynch and don't have time

[TTTT]

go read page 27 in it's entirety

[NotMySpamAccount]

@nmsa: who do you think is the scummiest player rn in {me/maryjo/salami}?

Definitely MJL.

u r a person 2 was killed. He was a

Town Cop

.

crap.

@skitter
if you are town
I need your help here
NotMy or BB?
and why?

Why ask skitter about BB and I, but not BB about skitter and I, or me about BB and skitter?

After reading through all of that, Here are my reads:

Elements: I can't tell from my gut, but maybe town?
Salami: After urap's stuff, I'm tending scum here.
cbynumber: Textwalls, scumhunting, probly town.
u r a person 2: Town as crap. Loads of scumhunting, loving it.
MaryJoLisa: Probably scum. Not enough content, just trying to defend herself.
BBmolla: Confusing. I kinda see the arguments coming out, but slowly. Gut leaning scum, but not much
TTTT: Lots of short posts, not a lot being said other than quick responses to questions. He's asking questions though, so null/town I guess.
skitter30: Textwalls galore, not sure if that's ai, but pretty much null. I just can't get any sort of gut read here at this point.

Would not lynch: urap, cby, myself
Would lynch: MJL, Salami, skitter
Not sure: elements, TTTT, BBmolla

VOTE: skitter30 because we're getting kinda close to the deadline and we need a lynch. I'm fine with this one, and most other people seem to be too.

why were you willing to lynch your null-read (skitter) instead of voting your scum-read (Salami)?

skitter was close to lynch, I thought we needed a lynch soon and that it was getting close, and I didn't think we could lynch Salami that day (I was wrong, obviously).

for context...
661 was the next post after I put the 2nd vote on Salami
and included NotMy SRing Salami
but putting the 4th vote on skitter
he had a choice of making the Salami wagon (his claimed SR) even in votes to his null-read wagon
and he chose to put his null-read at L-1
really you should click on that post
and see how it's either a blatant attempt to derail Salami's wagon
or very very unlucky bad-town play

Unlucky poor townplay then I guess.

Mmmm idk

His Skitter vote seemed like a compromise to get a lynch, Skitter had 3 votes while Salami had 2.

Exactly.

[snip]
however, i find 816 to be worse - he's scumread is at L-1 and he votes the maryjo wagon, which, of course, i am the only person on at that point. to me that feels more like trying to build a cw than 661 given that he's completely willing to hammer but chooses not to and maryjo wasn't really happening at that point. he also completely ignores the fake-hammer thing.

I voted the mjl wagon to have somwhere to leave my vote in case Salami wasn't lynched (which he was while I was writing the post, of course). Not sure what cw stands for. I didn't notice the fake hammer thing until later.

so he puts his nullread at L-1 instead of his scumread at L-2?
there were 2 days 17 hours left when he did that

Yeah of a day that was 14 days long

I can easily see someone new thinking 2 days = we have to get a lynch and don't have time

This is what I thought.

[Elements]

so he puts his nullread at L-1 instead of his scumread at L-2?
there were 2 days 17 hours left when he did that

Yeah of a day that was 14 days long

I can easily see someone new thinking 2 days = we have to get a lynch and don't have time

Everything BB said here can also come from scum!NMSA with the addition of putting someone other than his buddy at L1. Then salami could've come in and hammered skitter for a mislynch.

VOTE: NMSA

This is L-1

[NotMySpamAccount]

Is everyone gonna ignore my explanations for the votes that I've posted multiple times?

[NotMySpamAccount]

Also, I'm at L-1, do you want a claim?

[MaryJoLisa]

I have never gotten to this point in the game before, so I feel comfortable posing this as a newbie question to all:

I don't see an actual rule on when it is permissible in the game to legally hammer a vote home. This is what i've found on the wiki. So other than courtesy, what is stopping me from hamming that vote home on Salami?

A player "at L-1", or "lynch minus 1" is one vote short of the majority votes needed to lynch and end the Day, and can be lynched with a single hammer vote.

"L-1"

is the most commonly used variation of the "L-#" notation, and is usually seen in votecounts to warn players of this status. The # may be replaced with any other number to signify that it will take that many more votes to lynch a player.

It is generally encouraged not to put a player at L-1 unless you are certain that they are scum, and that you have accomplished everything necessary for the Day. Doing so gives scum and impulsive town players a chance to quickhammer, resulting in no chance for a player to claim or not providing the chance to debate a claim, cutting off discussion for the Day, and so on.

Hammer:

A hammer is a vote on someone which results in the majority needed to lynch them. Once the hammer vote is placed, the game moves into Twilight until the mod posts the death scene. The player who has been hammered is considered beyond salvation as of the moment the hammering vote has been placed; barring the influence of a role like a Governor nothing will stop them from getting lynched. Many mods allow hammered players to post in Twilight but some do not.

Some players may use the threat of a hammer vote as a way to gambit in hopes of pulling votes off of them with a last second with "Oh well, go town." or "I wasn't lying, I really was the doctor."

the 'protocol' so to speak for a hammer is:
-> a wagon gets to l-1
-> someone gives intent to hammer

-> the person getting wagoned claims
-> we evaluate the claim and determine whether or not it's credible or a reason to not lynch them

hammering without a claim is a big no-no

it happens sometimes anyways, especially if it's super close to deadline; there's more leeway for a quickhammer or a hammer without a claim if it's literally minutes before deadline

there's nothing mechanically stopping you from hammering rn

but i would strongly advise you not to do so before we get a claim

people who lolhammer can

expect to get *a lot* of flak the next day

; i personally consider it to be incredibly scummy (for a few players nai because they do it all the time, but i wish they wouldn't)

Bold mine.

I'm confused. Are you trying to excuse your own hammer without this stuff? Or apologize? or something else? I can't tell what you're trying to say, since you ignored all of this advice.

Not really. Since you say you're at L-1 and that jives with my tally, I'm going to shoot the Mod a quick PM to check what the actual rules are about this then I'll see about casting my vote for you.

[MaryJoLisa]

Actually that quote was not intended to be in that post. It is immaterial to my position about voting for you. I was just checking what I was told before (must have hit the quote button by accident?). I'm going to confirm my understanding with the mod.

[TTTT]

Also, I'm at L-1, do you want a claim?

yes

[TTTT]

Why ask skitter about BB and I, but not BB about skitter and I, or me about BB and skitter?

skitter has more experience
is most likely to be town out of the three of you
and if she's scum I wanted to nail down her thoughts early in the day

but ok
what do you think of BB and skitter?

[TTTT]

NotMy
you ever gonna tell us who your friends are who play on MS?

[MaryJoLisa]

I asked the mod: "Is there an actual rule preventing me from hammering a vote in on this player, Spam? I am not so concerned with supposed protocol as I am with the actual rules since my fellow players saw fit to let me hammer a vote in the other day without giving that player the proper notice they claimed was socially appropriate for this forum."

Mod has confirmed that there is no rule against doing this.

If giving notice before hammering a player had been an actual thing, when I searched for the keywords hammer or hammering on the wiki, I would have easily found information on that. I didn't, but it was in my head somewhere, so I thought I'd ask here, to everyone. Experienced players led me to think that there is indeed a social culture of not quick hammering a vote, but then led me in opposite direction and allowed me to make this huge voting faux paux. It turned out in town's benefit, but from that interaction I can conclude that my fellow players either overemphasized the importance of this intent to hammer culture, or made it up outright.

I'm voting for Spam because I think he's scummy.

VOTE: NotMySpamAccount

[skitter30]

oh ffs i was in middle of writing a post and was going to unvote to prevent a lolhammer

[skitter30]

what on earth was that for

[skitter30]

there's no literal rule against lolhammering but ffs why would you want to end the day 8 hours after it started
we were not remotely ready for a lynch to happen yet

[skitter30]

and without a claim too

[skitter30]

there is nothing mechanically preventing you from lolhammering but that was a godawful hammer and now i'm more than a little bit annoyed ffs

[skitter30]

Experienced players led me to think that there is indeed a social culture of not quick hammering a vote,

yes this is a thing
there's literally no reason to lolhammer 8 hours into a day before getting a claim when someone isn't like literally mechanically guilty

a day before deadline on a consensus lynch is completely different from what you just did

[skitter30]

like do you think i'm misleading you about the intent/claim/hammer thing?

[TTTT]

you've got to be kidding me

[BBmolla]

ALways try to get a claim before hammering

If he's town PR I'm votelocking MJ

[BBmolla]

Votelocking her regardless tbh

[TTTT]

well at least it's the scummiest slot in the game that got insta-lynched